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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:20 am 
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tiger2000 wrote:Briscoe out 4 to 6 weeks according to the post game interview with Morgan.


:( At least you have Cockayne to fill in - FB I always think is a difficult position to cover.

Quite a few injuries being clocked up in the competition already. I know the Leeds fans I work with are moaning about Ablett/Delaney and Huddersfield had a few out last night, main one being Hodgson, plus Saints picked up 4 injuries last week.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 8:36 am 
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pmh wrote:It's to be hoped, they'll tonk us if we play like tonight, we were about as useful as a sausage roll at a Barmitzvah. :(


Not so sure about that. They have a lot of injuries and their available forwards aren't the size that are likely to stamroller anyone. Biggest test will be breaking down thier defence which was excellent last night






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It was blatantly obvious last night that we are missing one, maybe even two big forwards. Vella tried his damndest but he is not that type of player. We need a forward that carries men with him just to eleviate some pressure from the likes of Lovegrove and Vella. If Clinton ever arrives, I think the combination of Watts, Vella, Clinton, Lovegrove - with Wheeldon as back up would be good, but until then, we look very lightweight indeed.

I like Jake playing through the middle but I think we need Ratu back so we can put him and Jake in the centres at the expense of Welham. His poor defence is just so costly to us. He left Colbon high and dry so many times last night. To be fair to Welham though, our fringe defence on both sides looks really shakey. We are defending so narrowly, and with people like Roberts, Richards, Gleeson and Carmont on the outsides, you're going to get exposed.

Cookie looks good in spells in his new role, but he got caught with the ball on the last tackle last night. Our last tackle plays close to the line were poor, as was our kicking game in our own half, where at times we only made 10 metres passed the half way line. However, that is symptomatic of not getting any forward movement from your pack.

I'd be tempted to start with Netherton and Newton in the next game, with Cook coming from the bench. I like Netherton but I dont see the point in having him on the bench. He's not got that kind of impact that you need from your replacements, so i'd start him a give him as many minutes as possible and rotate around him.

I think the Scott Murrell/Fisher combo is working pretty well, but we wont see the best of that until we start getting over the gain line with our forwards.

All in all last night was poor, however its early days, so lets not lose faith just yet and see what happens






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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:04 am 
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we were well beaten by a top team last night, Wigan will go very well this year, far to quick and strong for us. There backs had some much quality and too much power up front,
All the tackling we had to make in the first ten minutes took too much out of us IMO.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:07 am 
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The bottom line is the game is all about possession and you can't afford to knock-on at the play-the-ball (at least 3 times in the second-half alone) and make the amount of unforced errors we did, otherwise you spend the game in your own half and you'll get beat in this league if that happens.

The skill level of Rovers last night was the worst I have seen from this team for some time - often the passes going behind the man which stopped any momentum we had in our sets.

Main positive for me was Liam Watts. If he continues to progess at the rate he is then we'll have some player on our hands.

Regarding the forwards; when we had our fair-share of the ball the forwards were finding their front at the play-the-ball but the timing of our passes and unforced errors did us in big-time.

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my only concern with Watts was his lack of yards, he didnt make any all night.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:15 am 
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Alex Mc wrote:It was blatantly obvious last night that we are missing one, maybe even two big forwards. Vella tried his damndest but he is not that type of player. We need a forward that carries men with him just to eleviate some pressure from the likes of Lovegrove and Vella. If Clinton ever arrives, I think the combination of Watts, Vella, Clinton, Lovegrove - with Wheeldon as back up would be good, but until then, we look very lightweight indeed.

I like Jake playing through the middle but I think we need Ratu back so we can put him and Jake in the centres at the expense of Welham. His poor defence is just so costly to us. He left Colbon high and dry so many times last night. To be fair to Welham though, our fringe defence on both sides looks really shakey. We are defending so narrowly, and with people like Roberts, Richards, Gleeson and Carmont on the outsides, you're going to get exposed.

Cookie looks good in spells in his new role, but he got caught with the ball on the last tackle last night. Our last tackle plays close to the line were poor, as was our kicking game in our own half, where at times we only made 10 metres passed the half way line. However, that is symptomatic of not getting any forward movement from your pack.

I'd be tempted to start with Netherton and Newton in the next game, with Cook coming from the bench. I like Netherton but I dont see the point in having him on the bench. He's not got that kind of impact that you need from your replacements, so i'd start him a give him as many minutes as possible and rotate around him.

I think the Scott Murrell/Fisher combo is working pretty well, but we wont see the best of that until we start getting over the gain line with our forwards.

All in all last night was poor, however its early days, so lets not lose faith just yet and see what happens


Some good points as ever Alex Mc, I agree with most of that.

Although Vella does give it his all, he just didn't seem very effective last night, I don't think the shambles down the left side was all Welham's fault, Wigan were clearly targeting Dobson and for me, although as ever his exit plays were good, Colbon had his worst defensive game in a Rovers shirt. All three were absolutely all over the place for the first Roberts try, I'd a have fancied getting over myself.

Wasn't just Cooke who got caught on last tackle plays, iirc it happened at least four times! When you've got at least three players on the park at any one time in Dobson, Cooke and Murrell/Fisher with a decent kicking game (apart from last night) that's pretty unforgivable.

I agree with you about Netherton, had a decent solid game last night, the sort of mopping up around the fringes type of player that all sides need.

For balance, this is round two, this wasn't a game you'd look at to be a banker. In previous seasons we'd planned our season around hitting teams hard early season and trying to build up some points and then hang on, running out of steam eventually.

Hopefully we can get all our rustiness, lack of timing and injuries out of the way and build towards challenging towards the end of the season






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GraftonRed wrote:The bright sides of tonight are we have one more point than we did this time last year, the other is the Grafton reopened today and i got back in time for a couple of juggs. :D

Oh, and our flag/shirt is better than wigans :roll:



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We need some serious practice with that shirt though, just couldn't hold the line at the top with people shooting out all over the shop.






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hull smallears wrote:LIke I said before, last season Sl was the poorest standard for a while. I think that this season will provide true reflection. I think that both Fc and rovers will be equal. 5th to 8th.


Twas poor for the first 5 or 6 weeks then the competition got stronger! 8)






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tonylRobin wrote:my only concern with Watts was his lack of yards, he didnt make any all night.

Any forward would have struggled with our lack of cohesion last night. Besides he regularly found his front which is the biggest indicator he's gonna do well for us in the future.

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