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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:35 pm 
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General Zod. wrote:Whilst at work yesterday, a fellow Rovers' fan said that whilst listening to the start of BBC Radio Humberside's Sports Talk programme on Tuesday night 29th Dec, David Burns allegedly stated he believed the HDM reports regarding Rovers to be £3M in debt to be "not right" having spoken to a figure "high up" at Rovers.

David Burns allegedly stated that he understands the HDM have based the £3M figure on "one sheet" and have not taken into account other factors such as £1M+ in season passes alone amongst other factors and he allegedly understands a more accurate figure to be around the £1M bracket.

Whilst David Burns loves his football, I do know he has a very good relationship with the Rovers board and Radio Humberside's track record in terms of it's accuracy of reporting of Rugby League is generally proven to be very accurate.

I like many others initially made the mistake of taking the £3M figure at face value which demonstrates that at this time, it is more important than ever that Rovers fans trust our Chairman and current in board and are not swayed by stories routed in the extraordinary pressures journalists face to fill column inches and of course the bitter and twisted across the river who will feed like parasites and leeches off such stories whilst they struggle to come to terms with their team and coaches' proven track record of continual and repetitive failure when it comes down to "walking the walk".

Whilst £1M of debt still isn't good reading (at face value) we have to understand that our debts have to be viewed in the context of the necessary investment that was needed as a promoted SL club and also operating at the maximum salary cap. I have total and complete trust in our Chairman and the Board in the direction they are taking the club and I hope my fellow Rovers fans' are too.

Roll on the start of the season then normal service can be resumed and the parasites and leeches will again resort to "excuse finding" and the "blame game" and this will be yet another redundant quote in Mrs Barista's recycle bin... :WAVE:


Hilarious that David Burns is now your chosen financial expert. You clearly didn't hear the insightful analysis RH gave on Hull City's finances. The fact that he's talking about "one sheet" should be evidence enough that this is not his area of expertise :lol:

Sadofsky's have prepared the accounts and declared total liabilities of £3.16m. Of course there are assets to offset this amount, hence the net liabilities number of -£1.5m, this point has already been made several times.

The season pass income shown as creditors is a point also that has been made previously. However, think about what the other balance sheet entry is for that cash coming in. Debit cash, Credit deferred income. But the balance of cash at bank is only £16k. So you would think the Debit would go against overdraft/borrowings. Which are also in creditors.

Of course, these accounts are before the 2009 losses of £450k which Hudgell has already discussed, and before 2010 when you are unlikely to breach the 10,000 average attendance he says is required for breakeven. As I have suggested before, the big undone for Rovers is the retail operation. When you are open, as Hudgell has been, TBF, about the unsustainable position, but then spend on another big contract for Clinton (who will undoubtedly be on a big wedge coming on a 1 year deal as Bronco's biggest earning forward), yet let the retail side of things go by the wayside, this must surely be a questionable allocation of resources? As I've said before, if FC can finish 12th and turn over £1m in the shop, surely the potential for Rovers who finished in the play-offs to do the same is there?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:51 pm 
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I think you'll find that Clinton has been signed for more than 1 year - you shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers.

David Burns was relaying information rather than interpreting information and the whole point he was making was that the £3M debt headline indicates the "here and now" rather than the several other factors you have elaborated on which is why Rovers are taking legal action as it presents a negative picture of the club - I'm sure if the headline came out the same time as the last accounts were submitted then I don't think there'd have been a problem.

Whilst I do believe the press should be free to report on what they want, rehashing a story a few weeks after it's already been in the public domain is poor IMO.

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Mrs Barista wrote:Sadofsky's have prepared the accounts and declared total liabilities of £3.16m.


But the impressions given by some media and the majority of FC fans is that Rovers owe over 3m ... how much of that is to the clubs own directors???

No different to FC in that respect then 8)






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Basil Fawlty wrote:But the impressions given by some media and the majority of FC fans is that Rovers owe over 3m ... how much of that is to the clubs own directors???

No different to FC in that respect then 8)


Upto 2.2mill i believe was the figure to creditors which includes directors loans.

Our overall debt i believe is somewhere about 1-1.2mill at present, all of which i believe to be directors loans.

I'm still interested as i said earlier in the thread to understand what the assets are that Rovers have logged. You dont own your own ground so dont have that.

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Big Dave T wrote:Upto 2.2mill i believe was the figure to creditors which includes directors loans.

Our overall debt i believe is somewhere about 1-1.2mill at present, all of which i believe to be directors loans.

I'm still interested as i said earlier in the thread to understand what the assets are that Rovers have logged. You dont own your own ground so dont have that.


Dave - don't your very own FC directors pop the players down as assets despite the accountants warning them not to?... wondered if Rovers have made an FCesque move :D






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Basil Fawlty wrote:Dave - don't your very own FC directors pop the players down as assets despite the accountants warning them not to?... wondered if Rovers have made an FCesque move :D


:lol:

I'm trying not to talk about FC for fear of been labelled a troll, and this is the Rovers forum. I can confirm though that whatever we put the players down as does not add up to anything from a financial perspective and would not impact our profit one way or the other. The accountants didnt warn us not to, the auditors said it wasnt good accounting practice to include them for absolutely no reason. :wink:

I'm still interested to hear on the rovers forum when speaking about rovers debt what the assets available are?

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I hope if and when they take out legal proceedings they publish and shut them up for good i am sick to death of the idiots they are mostly brain dead lets get on with wining games not trying to shut down clubs :SHOOT: :WALL:






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General Zod. wrote:I think you'll find that Clinton has been signed for more than 1 year - you shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers.

David Burns was relaying information rather than interpreting information and the whole point he was making was that the £3M debt headline indicates the "here and now" rather than the several other factors you have elaborated on which is why Rovers are taking legal action as it presents a negative picture of the club - I'm sure if the headline came out the same time as the last accounts were submitted then I don't think there'd have been a problem.

Whilst I do believe the press should be free to report on what they want, rehashing a story a few weeks after it's already been in the public domain is poor IMO.


The accounts had been filed less than a fortnight TBF and the article in the HDM was factually correct, with comments on the fact the directors had said they would underwrite the debt and mention of the ground extension to increase revenue in mitigation of the headline.

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