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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:03 am 
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Sheldon wrote:thats it then cause chairman, as petty as some, always tell the truth.

when did cook, ratu, hodgson, wheeldon and lovegrove set the world on fire?


I havent a clue what your 1st sentance means.
But in response to the 2nd.

Matt Cook although it could be said has stagnated rather in the last 2 years has still represented England, been part of a Grand Final winning squad and a World Club Challenge winning side.
The change of club is probably just what he needs to get kick started again but time will time.
The obvious being that he is British signing not overseas.

Ratu has a fine pedigree.
However Senior is still around at Leeds and in fine form and they have signed an overseas centre in Delaney.
Kallum Watkins is probably next in line so the change of club looks the correct decision.
Add to that Leeds were reluctant to lose Ratu.
Supporting a side like Hull FC as you do who benefited from Leeds deeming the likes of Raynor,Dowes,Carvell surplus to requirements im surprised you have such a view on Ratu.

Hodgson was on Morgan's wish list 12 months earlier but signed for Hull for a year so his coming to Craven Park was no surprise.
He was the outstanding player in Hull's Reserve team last season by a country mile and Morgan must think he has the makings of a good player.
I will take his view over yours on that one.

Wheedon and Lovegrove were both very good last season.
Better then Moa.
So i dont see your comparison.

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Gavin Miller - Legend wrote:And why would Rovers want to sign a player who was a project at Hull and hardly set the world on fire.


Dunno, but he was supposedly the best reserve player last season ;)






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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:37 am 
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Gavin Miller - Legend wrote:I havent a clue what your 1st sentance means.
But in response to the 2nd.

Matt Cook although it could be said has stagnated rather in the last 2 years has still represented England, been part of a Grand Final winning squad and a World Club Challenge winning side.
The change of club is probably just what he needs to get kick started again but time will time.
The obvious being that he is British signing not overseas.

Ratu has a fine pedigree.
However Senior is still around at Leeds and in fine form and they have signed an overseas centre in Delaney.
Kallum Watkins is probably next in line so the change of club looks the correct decision.
Add to that Leeds were reluctant to lose Ratu.
Supporting a side like Hull FC as you do who benefited from Leeds deeming the likes of Raynor,Dowes,Carvell surplus to requirements im surprised you have such a view on Ratu.

Hodgson was on Morgan's wish list 12 months earlier but signed for Hull for a year so his coming to Craven Park was no surprise.
He was the outstanding player in Hull's Reserve team last season by a country mile and Morgan must think he has the makings of a good player.
I will take his view over yours on that one.

Wheedon and Lovegrove were both very good last season.
Better then Moa.
So i dont see your comparison.


What are you on! a very good player he is and an outstanding prospect but he was not a country mile a head of Jack Briscoe, Reece Lynne and even to an extenet, Dennis Tuffour - And i make that claim after watching all reserve games barring 2 last season. How many did you go see, as a Rovers fan? or have you made the coment based upon what you have read? if so, you have just lambasted certain members for "believing what they read"

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:50 am 
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Gavin Miller - Legend wrote:Wheedon and Lovegrove were both very good last season.
Better then Moa.

So i dont see your comparison.


Yeah, but Scott & Rhys are not part of some marketing campaign that's got everyone suddenly believing them to be world-beaters.

We missed a trick there, we could have had the "PNG Triads" T-shirts for the last 3 seasons!

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:14 am 
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Gavin Miller - Legend wrote:That french sounding bloke from the league express just waves his recording equipment under the noses of KCFM, HDM and RH interviews after games and puts his own slant on it.
So what submission :CRAZY:


Give it up. You challenged whether Cooke's salary had been reported anywhere, and were given two publications. Whether you believe Cooke earns £125,000 a year or not is another point entirely. It has been reported, hence the use of "reportedly" in the orignal post. Here's another one for you, in the national press this time:
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/147 ... -Crusaders

Also, the HDM is categorical in what Cooke is being paid - no reference to "understands that" or "reportedly", just stating it as a fact: "Cooke has one year remaining on his contract at Craven Park, where he is one of the top earners on £125,000 per year.

Honestly, as a journalist you really need to keep up with the widely reported story of Rovers trying to offload one of their most expensive players. :wink: :lol:
Gavin Miller - Legend wrote:That french sounding bloke from the league express just waves his recording equipment under the noses of KCFM, HDM and RH interviews after games and puts his own slant on it.
So what submission :CRAZY:


Give it up. You challenged whether Cooke's salary had been reported anywhere, and were given two publications. Whether you believe Cooke earns £125,000 a year or not is another point entirely. It has been reported, hence the use of "reportedly" in the orignal post. Here's another one for you, in the national press this time:
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/147 ... -Crusaders

Also, the HDM is categorical in what Cooke is being paid - no reference to "understands that" or "reportedly", just stating it as a fact: "Cooke has one year remaining on his contract at Craven Park, where he is one of the top earners on £125,000 per year.

Honestly, as a journalist you really need to keep up with the widely reported story of Rovers trying to offload one of their most expensive players. :wink: :lol:

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:59 am 
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Gavin Miller - Legend wrote:
Wheedon and Lovegrove were both very good last season.
Better then Moa.
So i dont see your comparison.


Based on?

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Big Dave T wrote:Based on?


Both made double the number of meters Moa made last year, but then Sam's appearances tend to be 10 mins with 70 warming the bench.

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The Goroka Gene-ius wrote:Both made double the number of meters Moa made last year, but then Sam's appearances tend to be 10 mins with 70 warming the bench.


Moa missed most of the season. What are the metres per carry or metres per minute on the pitch looking like?

Sam also got a player of the month aware, did either of the Rovers lads? I'm not wanting a slangling match, i'm trying to have a reasonable debate, just wondering on what basis the original statement was made?

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Big Dave T wrote:Moa missed most of the season. What are the metres per carry or metres per minute on the pitch looking like?

Sam also got a player of the month aware, did either of the Rovers lads? I'm not wanting a slangling match, i'm trying to have a reasonable debate, just wondering on what basis the original statement was made?


He made 14 appearances, compared to Lovegrove's 16.

He made 987 metres, compared to Rhys' 1822.

http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2009&hp1=2277&hs2=2009&hp2=2867&stat=tries&season=2009

I don't know about mins on the pitch, I suspect Lovegrove's to be significantly higher than Moa's.
Big Dave T wrote:Moa missed most of the season. What are the metres per carry or metres per minute on the pitch looking like?

Sam also got a player of the month aware, did either of the Rovers lads? I'm not wanting a slangling match, i'm trying to have a reasonable debate, just wondering on what basis the original statement was made?


He made 14 appearances, compared to Lovegrove's 16.

He made 987 metres, compared to Rhys' 1822.

http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2009&hp1=2277&hs2=2009&hp2=2867&stat=tries&season=2009

I don't know about mins on the pitch, I suspect Lovegrove's to be significantly higher than Moa's.

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The Goroka Gene-ius wrote:He made 14 appearances, compared to Lovegrove's 16.

He made 987 metres, compared to Rhys' 1822.

http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2009&hp1=2277&hs2=2009&hp2=2867&stat=tries&season=2009

I don't know about mins on the pitch, I suspect Lovegrove's to be significantly higher than Moa's.


Different playing styles, I prefer Lovegrove because of his versatility when needed.
The Goroka Gene-ius wrote:He made 14 appearances, compared to Lovegrove's 16.

He made 987 metres, compared to Rhys' 1822.

http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2009&hp1=2277&hs2=2009&hp2=2867&stat=tries&season=2009

I don't know about mins on the pitch, I suspect Lovegrove's to be significantly higher than Moa's.


Different playing styles, I prefer Lovegrove because of his versatility when needed.






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