I await the "Brady is only good because he had "good" recievers bit" even though until Moss and Welker turned up the best he had was Deion Branch/Troy Brown and David Patten .

We may have won Superbowls whilst this bunch was here but IMO it just shows that Teams win championships and not individuals

Don't forget Bethel Johnson & Reche Caldwell

Ben isn't elite in any criteria IMO.

I suppose it depends on your criteria and whether you base it on one year or overall.

Overall
1. Favre
2. Manning
3. Brady

This Year
1. Manning
2. Breesus
=3. Rodgers + Rivers
5. Schaub
6. Brady

Why are Brees and Rees considered Elite but Big Ben isn't? Too much emphasis on Stats when it comes to QBs.

There's only one stat that matters and that is Championships. IIRC Ben has two and Brees and and Rivers none.

I don't see how Ben can be anything but elite. For me elite = can you produce a game winning drive when it matters. Ben can do this and as such is up there as one of the best for me. Same goes for Eli.

Rodgers is well on his way to being one of the top QB's in the league but he's just not quite there for me yet.

Nail on head. Brees and Rivers are exceptionally good QB's and will win a championship eventually I'm sure. Wouldn't surprise me if Rivers got his this season.

Agreed, Eli is as clutch as they come and he destroyed perfection.

Rodgers did on the drive earlier but our D couldn't hold them out...

Anyway. I don't consider Big Ben elite because he just isn't as good as the others. He can pull out a drive, yes, he did it against us, however alot of the time he is just good. He has championships but that doesn't factor in having one of the best D's and a great surrounding cast. Especially this year, they still have a good (top 5) defence, good recievers and good RB's but he for the most part has been average.

Every QB has the ability to produce a game winning drive when it matters. Matt Schaub can, so can others like Rodgers, Rivers, Warner, Eli, Brady, Favre, Manning etc etc.



I agree the most important thing is winning a Championship but that doesn't help decide who is the better QB. I could be the worst QB ever but have the best surrounding cast and win it year on year. It doesn't make me elite. Sure, having a fantastic QB makes it easier, but Favre has 1 ring and is Elite. Marino has none, is 8-10 in the play-offs and is arguably the greatest QB ever.

Along with being able to make plays when it matters most (which all of the guys being considered can) i think you have to be consistent to be elite. Big Ben isn't consistent enough to be Elite IMO. Like Eli, they are good, and usually very good late in the year but they can be poor for weeks and often statistically very average. Players like Peyton are truly elite.

Peyton has the stats and game winning ability. Rodgers has only beaten 1 team with a winning record this season.

I haven't mentioned Rodgers. I was talking about all the QB's. Either way we are where i expected us to be. 10-5 was my pre-season prediction for us and we are on course to get that.