Three titles in a row, long domestic cup runs over the past three seasons, a Champions League victory and another Champions League final appearance on top of record TV money and record match ticket prices, as well as an £80m income, with £40m in cancelled agreed transfers and we don't look like a team that should be competing for the title this season.

Hiddink did a better job at Chelsea than Ancellotti is doing IMO. There's one thing for sure, if Moureen was still there, they'd be 10 points clear of us now.

The only new arrival at United is a new secretary, from Spurs, so that will give Levy more ammo for his dossier against us.

Well we did scored one at Fulham

I think Fergie will go after number 19 just can't see him putting up with lack of funds every season.

Until now it's never been a realistic prospect. You always had the chance that you'd build the team and create the title winning side. There's no way you'd let Torres go before now.

Right now though you're at your lowest point in years. Your only target is a top 4 finish, and with the emergence of Citeh, Villa and Spurs it could end up that you don't reach it. Benitez is under real pressure and is giving signs that he's lost it. The turmoil caused at Anfield if Citeh, us and United were to bid for Torres would be massive.

I don't think there's any chance of us or United getting Torres. As much as it'd hurt you to lose Torres, to lose him to us or United would nearly kill you. Chelsea fans would just be delighted at the Liverpool fans torment, United could use a Torres bid as a smokescreen over the Ronaldo money. United could say they only stayed away from the market because clubs would rip them off. They'd say they'd only spend big money for a special player. United could silence the supporters who accuse them of using the money simply to repay debts.

I just don't understand why they're not bidding.

Fergie wants 19 there's no doubt about that. His obsession with over taking Liverpool has been clear since his first day (looking at his comments when he arrived ).

We look more likely to win the Champions League this season than we do the Premier League, and that's only because the other top clubs (Chelsea apart) have been poor so far. Chelsea been average at times in the PL have covered up some of the cracks in our season.

Losing VDS, Giggs, Scholes and Fergie all within a short space of time will be catastrophic for United.

Our main problems will come when Fergie goes, because IMO he is the only one, with maybe the exception of Capello and Mourinho who can get the Glazers to stump up some cash, any other manager that comes in will probably be a "yes man" and as such will have to sell to buy.

There's speculation around some Chinese guys apparantly wanting to buy the club, if they come in like Lerner has done at Villa and stay out the way and support the manager than I'm all for it, but if they come in and start taking over running the team then we'll struggle. Damn rich men and their obsession with making a quick buck.

great showing by Cook at the press conference i suspect someone has been at his wiki

great showing by Cook at the press conference i suspect someone has been at his wiki

flipper wrote:great showing by Cook at the press conference i suspect someone has been at his wiki That was a cracking read!

flipper wrote:great showing by Cook at the press conference i suspect someone has been at his wiki That was a cracking read!

flipper wrote:great showing by Cook at the press conference i suspect someone has been at his wiki Classic! Poor old Hughesy's obviously had a quiet day back in the world of unemployment!

flipper wrote:great showing by Cook at the press conference i suspect someone has been at his wiki Classic! Poor old Hughesy's obviously had a quiet day back in the world of unemployment!

Any realistic targets in the transfer window for City then or not??
Paper talk has them linked, as ever, with a who's who of world stars who clearly won't go there (or anywhere else to be fair) but was just wondering who City fans want to bring in and who City fans think they will bring in, if anyone.

I honesty don't know of any realistic ones but the need for a central defender is even more pressing now that we are down to a central midfielder and a full back to occupy those positions during January although, to be fair, they can't be any worse than the first choice defenders.

Chiellini of Juve and Subotic of Dortmund might be reasonable shouts.

There's a good article in the latest redissue with the guy who had the 3 years of excuses banner. Basically him giving his reasons for the protests etc. You would be surprised how much it compares to the situation Liverpool are in now. If I can be bothered later I will put a couple of quotes up from the article.