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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:37 pm 
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Raised Elbow wrote:If it was the directors debt then surely it would not be very good reading.They must be losing money by the bucket load every week because the overall debt is getting bigger.


Don't be silly :lol:






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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:41 pm 
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Big Spender wrote:Are we in line with all other R.L. clubs by not including transfer values of the players in the accounts or did we "do a Hull" and completely ignore our accountants advice and include them. :)


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:58 pm 
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Mrs Barista wrote:Level of debt wasn't. In theory it could be approaching £4m by end 2009 if it's currently £3.2m plus £450k loss in 2009 and the new turnstile investment. :wink:
Turnover's not disclosed as the accounts are abbreviated.



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Mrs Barista wrote:Correct. Rovers haven't filed accounts since the 2007 ones when the debt was £2.4m. Further losses in 2008 and 2009 of £0.9m will increase this as will any capital investment.


from the Wilf thread. Of course the 2009 figures are not included, but the East stand extension will be capital investment, will it? While the club continues to run at a loss debt will likely grow, you have me there. :)






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Raised Elbow wrote:If it was the directors debt then surely it would not be very good reading.They must be losing money by the bucket load every week because the overall debt is getting bigger.


Quite the opposite, If it's owed to the directors they have direct control of when,if or how the debt is repaid. If it's owed to someone else you don't get that choice.






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BESTY wrote:Quite the opposite, If it's owed to the directors they have direct control of when,if or how the debt is repaid. If it's owed to someone else you don't get that choice.


Absolutely, which is why its always better to owe money to your directors/shareholders than to a bank.






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BESTY wrote:Quite the opposite, If it's owed to the directors they have direct control of when,if or how the debt is repaid. If it's owed to someone else you don't get that choice.

I see.....But in the long term and with the debt getting bigger how do the directors get their money back and still keep the club afloat?.I can't see that they will ever get 10,000 plus crowds,which they have never had in their history,plus big sponsorship to turn the debt around?.

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Big Spender wrote:Are we in line with all other R.L. clubs by not including transfer values of the players in the accounts or did we "do a Hull" and completely ignore our accountants advice and include them. :)


Don't often post on your board but where has this "ignoring accountants advice" thing come from, I don't remember reading it anywhere. As previously stated its not relevant to profit and loss anyway just the valuation of the company.

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steve_norton wrote:Don't often post on your board but where has this "ignoring accountants advice" thing come from, I don't remember reading it anywhere. As previously stated its not relevant to profit and loss anyway just the valuation of the company.


It is a 'qualified opinion arising from disagreement over accounting treatment'.

It also overstates Fixed Assets by something to the order of around 75%.






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Gordon Gekko wrote:It is a 'qualified opinion arising from disagreement over accounting treatment'.

It also overstates Fixed Assets by something to the order of around 75%.


What does it state these fixed assets at? What are the fixed assets? How do you know it overstates them? I'm interested to know? :)

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