Joined: Apr 17 2005 Posts: 3469 Location: With Hull's only grade "A" SL club.
Seventies red wrote:Remind us all of, just how long you have been in SL and how much silverware you have aquired during that exstensive period. One piece of silverwear hardly constitutes a success story and is a very poor return by anyones standards, What did you win during your first 4 seasons? also you should refer to your clubs balance sheets during those periods, they wern't exactly a picture of health. Hull fc still have large overall deficit though they have managed to bring it down over the last two or three seasons due to the fact that they have underspent on their salary cap, something Rovers have been unable to do to date as they have been striving to establish themselves in SL. However, Rovers may be able to reduce their debt by the same means over the next two or three years as they spend within their operating revenues, which hopefuly, will be boosted by increased income streams in the business, one of which would be from, improving the ground and its facilities to encourage more fans through the turnstiles.
The one thing all fans must realise is that,we are in the longest and worst reccession since world war 2 of which, no business has been immune, including sports teams, anyone who thinks this situation is unique to Rovers is living in a little world of their own or has absolutely no grasp of reality. Putting everything into perspective. In rugby league, Leeds who are the most succesful team of present times, suffered around a £360,000 loss during the last financial year ,Wigan apparently suffered huge losses and i dread to think what the finances are of some of the other more established clubs who have also invested heavily in players but havn't had very good average attendances. In football, Liverpool and even Manchester Utd are two prime examples of sports teams been adversly effected by the current economic climate, both are two of the richest teams in the world but both are having to cut back on expenditure and make staff redundant, because of huge financial losses, it has been documented that Liverpool may even have to sell Torres to help balance their books. Rovers have a dynamic board of directors who are all business men in their own right and are, all huge fans of the club which is also a big plus. I personaly have every faith in their abillity to steer Rovers forward and upward over the next few years.
A very optimistic outlook, but, at the end of the day you have to remember you're a small club and do not have the potential to turn things around like we did or the other clubs you have mentioned there. Your best bet is to hope that sugar daddy bails you out.
fcimp wrote:A very optimistic outlook, but, at the end of the day you have to remember you're a small club and do not have the potential to turn things around like we did or the other clubs you have mentioned there. Your best bet is to hope that sugar daddy bails you out.
What's your definition of a small club, mine is Harlequins no comparison to Rovers.
fcimp wrote:A very optimistic outlook, but, at the end of the day you have to remember you're a small club and do not have the potential to turn things around like we did or the other clubs you have mentioned there. Your best bet is to hope that sugar daddy bails you out.
I actualy believe it is a very realistic outlook and you obviously have warped perceptions of what is small or big judging by your above comments, you keep on proclaiming you are a big club and yet, as i have pointed out in my previous post you have only piece of silverware to show for your extended period in Super league and at the end of the day, whether you like it or not, success and status is usualy judged by trophies and titles won.
With these facts in mind that makes you an average size club with potential but who usualy under achieves
With regard to your remark in relation to Hull and other clubs turning things around, they havn't!, you obviously didn't take in what said in my previous post.
Leeds who are a very big club in relation to their success ratio in SL, suffered losses of about £360,000 last year, Wigan lost substantialy more apparently,
your own club has had two extremely poor seasons on the pitch and one very poor one, out of the last three, if you think that constitutes a turn around in fortunes then far from me be it to spoil your dillusion of type.
I am sure most rovers fans and indeed most other super league clubs fans will hope your club addopts your perceptions and definitions of success for many years to come.
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Back to the original thread. I posted a sensible question to the debate. Free questions? Picked over questions by a moderator. It was bollox. I wanted answers as when i phone the club regarding my shares, I get no answer. When I phone my stock broker, funnily enough he get back to me. Bit of a pointless exercise in my opinion.
Bertie wrote:I realise the not so bright from over the river frequently refer to events happening at Craven Park, wether true or not, to try and justify to themselves Rovers are struggling etc. The same posters fail to realise the same situation has been happening at the KC and their shop over the last couple of years without them needing to blow things out of proportion.
They were the first club in the city to make staff redundant from their shop in the city, they to have shelved a warm weather trip abroad this season and plans for a state of the art training facillity (and i don't mean Gordon street gym ) has been knocked back. And many of the know all fans insist they failed to spend anywhere near their salary cap for the last couple of seasons.
Put anything under the spotlight and give it a little spin.......
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The Rugby Football League are in the process of reviewing the video that you are referring to. We do not condone behaviour of this nature and have contacted the player’s employer, Hull F.C., who have confirmed that they are dealing with the incident under their club rules.
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Seventies red wrote:Remind us all of, just how long you have been in SL and how much silverware you have aquired during that exstensive period. One piece of silverwear hardly constitutes a success story and is a very poor return by anyones standards, What did you win during your first 4 seasons? also you should refer to your clubs balance sheets during those periods, they wern't exactly a picture of health. Hull fc still have large overall deficit though they have managed to bring it down over the last two or three seasons due to the fact that they have underspent on their salary cap, something Rovers have been unable to do to date as they have been striving to establish themselves in SL. However, Rovers may be able to reduce their debt by the same means over the next two or three years as they spend within their operating revenues, which hopefuly, will be boosted by increased income streams in the business, one of which would be from, improving the ground and its facilities to encourage more fans through the turnstiles.
The one thing all fans must realise is that,we are in the longest and worst reccession since world war 2 of which, no business has been immune, including sports teams, anyone who thinks this situation is unique to Rovers is living in a little world of their own or has absolutely no grasp of reality. Putting everything into perspective. In rugby league, Leeds who are the most succesful team of present times, suffered around a £360,000 loss during the last financial year ,Wigan apparently suffered huge losses and i dread to think what the finances are of some of the other more established clubs who have also invested heavily in players but havn't had very good average attendances. In football, Liverpool and even Manchester Utd are two prime examples of sports teams been adversly effected by the current economic climate, both are two of the richest teams in the world but both are having to cut back on expenditure and make staff redundant, because of huge financial losses, it has been documented that Liverpool may even have to sell Torres to help balance their books. Rovers have a dynamic board of directors who are all business men in their own right and are, all huge fans of the club which is also a big plus. I personaly have every faith in their abillity to steer Rovers forward and upward over the next few years.
Bang on for me, thats how I see the situation as it stands!!!
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Joined: Jan 15 2007 Posts: 11924 Location: Secret Hill Top Lair. V.2
Seventies red wrote:Remind us all of, just how long you have been in SL and how much silverware you have aquired during that exstensive period. One piece of silverwear hardly constitutes a success story and is a very poor return by anyones standards, What did you win during your first 4 seasons? also you should refer to your clubs balance sheets during those periods, they wern't exactly a picture of health. Hull fc still have large overall deficit though they have managed to bring it down over the last two or three seasons due to the fact that they have underspent on their salary cap, something Rovers have been unable to do to date as they have been striving to establish themselves in SL. However, Rovers may be able to reduce their debt by the same means over the next two or three years as they spend within their operating revenues, which hopefuly, will be boosted by increased income streams in the business, one of which would be from, improving the ground and its facilities to encourage more fans through the turnstiles.
The one thing all fans must realise is that,we are in the longest and worst reccession since world war 2 of which, no business has been immune, including sports teams, anyone who thinks this situation is unique to Rovers is living in a little world of their own or has absolutely no grasp of reality. Putting everything into perspective. In rugby league, Leeds who are the most succesful team of present times, suffered around a £360,000 loss during the last financial year ,Wigan apparently suffered huge losses and i dread to think what the finances are of some of the other more established clubs who have also invested heavily in players but havn't had very good average attendances. In football, Liverpool and even Manchester Utd are two prime examples of sports teams been adversly effected by the current economic climate, both are two of the richest teams in the world but both are having to cut back on expenditure and make staff redundant, because of huge financial losses, it has been documented that Liverpool may even have to sell Torres to help balance their books. Rovers have a dynamic board of directors who are all business men in their own right and are, all huge fans of the club which is also a big plus. I personaly have every faith in their abillity to steer Rovers forward and upward over the next few years.
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TheAbbot wrote:Back to the original thread. I posted a sensible question to the debate. Free questions? Picked over questions by a moderator. It was bollox. I wanted answers as when i phone the club regarding my shares, I get no answer. When I phone my stock broker, funnily enough he get back to me. Bit of a pointless exercise in my opinion.
What was the question?
How much are my shares worth?
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) has been knocked back. And many of the know all fans insist they failed to spend anywhere near their salary cap for the last couple of seasons.
