If your reffering to "You still appear to be of the opinion that the ocasional execution of an innocent party is acceptable. Why is that?"

I think my last post answers that, advances in forensic science and DNA profiling over the last few years got these people released,just as it would have stopped them being convicted in the first place had we had this technology then...do you agree? Just as nowadays it convicts you without any doubt. We are not talking convictions of the past, we are talking technologies of the 21st century.

21st century like Jill Dando's you mean?

So, yes it would be ok? Cool, just so we know.

Pretty well every advance has been seen to be infailible when it was introduced, that doesnt stop people interpreting it wrongly either thoiuigh accident or a deliberate act.

So looking at it another way, the evidence that got The Guildford Bombers, Colin Stagg, Barry George (thats the Guy that was found guilty of murdering Jill Dando) off could also be wrong.You know as well as i do these lawyers today can get, even a murderer(reduced to manslaughter) off due to technicalities.

Anyway so your happy that child murderers even when proven without doubt DESERVE the right to live(as in huntleys case and many more), just in case we are proven wrong in the future. OK thats your view, i have mine.

I was going to leave you with a thought (scenario) but it sent chills down my spine even to suggest it, althought you might guess what it was.

Yes it could be, but that brings me back to the earlier point about its lot easier to "fix the mistake" if you've just banged someone up for a few years, its somewhat more difficult if you've hung/shot/poisoned them. Its not ideal, I never claimed it was, but I'd rather not execute people wrongly. My earlier comments on a two tier system answer the second paragraph. You can't have a differing penalty depending on how sure you are you're right. Therefore IMO you can't have a death penalty.

Why cant you have a differing system based on the level of accuracy/type of the proof? DNA evidence for example that is 100% or thereabout accurate or un-arguable video evidence? Cases bases 100% on witness statements where witnesses have been known to be wrong would then be a 2nd tier that comes with life imprisonment instead?

I think a bigger issue than the death penalty in this country in the length of sentences given for every crime. There was the case recently of the hacker who wanted to face trial in the uk cos he would get 10 years but in america he would have got 100 years.

Can i reverse your answer then and ask if you would be so anti capital punishment if god forbid any family member of yours was murdered or had their life ruined by some phaedo scum.

Because you're either gulity or not, there shouldnt be degrees of guilty.

Tend to agree with the 2nd paragraph, I've no problem atall with life meaning whole life, or more stringent sentances etc etc. I just fail to see how execution can ever be justified, especially if, as in some cases it has, and will be applied incorrectly.

America is interesting, they do "life" sentances properly over there, its more than possilble to get put away for hundreds of years, I've no issue with that atall. Also, despite having the death penalty in a fair percentage of the states they still have a much higher (approx 4x) murder rate per capita

You can answer the question first.

To reference America again though they do have differing degrees or murder, i dont see why we couldnt and i dont see what they cant come with differing penalties, one of which is death. The risk is about incorrect application as you say.

See my arguement for the death penalty isnt based around it been a deterent, its based on the fact that it saves tax payers money keeping people in prison and its also a little bit ofjustice for the family of the person offended against.

They have different degrees which relate, in part, to premeditaion and such like, not different degrees of guilt or proof.

I'ts generally been shown that the whole life (good term huh ) costs of imprisonment vs capital punishment show a very signifigant saving to the life in prison sentances (again taking the US as a base model).