kiff wrote:slightly OT, looking to book some tickets for the England game a your place, how many rows are are there in the north/south stands? booking them online and its giving us row Y.
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To be honest any seat at our place is a good view but its doesn't take a genuis to know that it's far back. It starts with row B though I think so it's row 25,26 or 27 not sure how it works but it is pretty high but good seats.
Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS
The 24-man England squad for the Gillette Four Nations is:
Chris Bridge (Warrington Wolves, Waterhead) Shaun Briscoe (Hull Kingston Rovers, Wigan St Patricks) Sam Burgess (Bradford Bulls, Dewsbury Moor) Garreth Carvell (Warrington Wolves, Stanningley) Eorl Crabtree (Huddersfield Giants, Huddersfield YMCA) Kyle Eastmond (St Helens, Oldham St Annes) Gareth Ellis (Wests Tigers, Castleford Lock Lane) Peter Fox (Hull Kingston Rovers, York Acorn) James Graham (St Helens, Blackbrook) Ryan Hall (Leeds, Oulton Raiders) Danny McGuire (Leeds, East Leeds) Scott Moore (Huddersfield Giants, Blackbrook) Adrian Morley (Warrington Wolves, Eccles) Richard Myler (Salford City Reds, Halton West Bank) Sean O’Loughlin (Wigan Warriors, Wigan St Patricks) Jamie Peacock (Leeds, Stanningley Rangers) (captain) James Roby (St Helens, Blackbrook) Michael Shenton (Castleford Tigers, Upton) Kevin Sinfield (Leeds, Waterhead) Lee Smith (Leeds, Drighlington) Paul Sykes (Bradford Bulls, Thornhill Trojans) Sam Tomkins (Wigan Warriors, Wigan St Patricks) Ben Westwood (Warrington Wolves, Normanton Knights) Jon Wilkin (St Helens, East Hull)
A few notable absentees there.
Ones in bold are simply not international standard IMO and this just highlights why we will always struggle. That said at least smith has got something right dropping wasters like pryce, wellens, etc....and its looking like myler/eastmond and tomkins will get a run, though smith will no doubt pick his favourates and go for myler at half.
Have to say though I do worry somewhat....as good as myler/ tomkins/ easmond and shenton are i can see them smashed by the aussies as im not quite sure their up to that standard yet....although at least most of the liabilities have gone.
Starting 17 for me would be
Briscoe
Fox
Ellis
Smith
Hall
McGuire
Tomkins
Peacock
Roby
Graham
Wilkin
O'Loughlin
Burgess
---------------------
Carvell
Moz
Sinfield
Crabtree
Ellis is a must in the backs for me or we'll get minced and beefs us up in the backs where we're weak
andyed-wiganrl wrote:Ones in bold are simply not international standard IMO and this just highlights why we will always struggle. That said at least smith has got something right dropping wasters like pryce, wellens, etc....and its looking like myler/eastmond and tomkins will get a run, though smith will no doubt pick his favourates and go for myler at half.
Have to say though I do worry somewhat....as good as myler/ tomkins/ easmond and shenton are i can see them smashed by the aussies as im not quite sure their up to that standard yet....although at least most of the liabilities have gone.
Starting 17 for me would be
Briscoe Fox Ellis Smith Hall McGuire Tomkins Peacock Roby Graham Wilkin O'Loughlin Burgess --------------------- Carvell Moz Sinfield Crabtree
Ellis is a must in the backs for me or we'll get minced and beefs us up in the backs where we're weak
Ryan Hall is the best winger we have and he is not played enough to judge if he is international standard.
Wilkin is not international standard, Gilmour should of been in for him, he has always performed at international level.
We should start with Burgess and Morley at SR IMO.
I agree with you about Ellis but will he have enough pace against Hodges and Inglis?
Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS
Haven't seen much of Bradford this year. Has Burgess been playing loose? I only ask as quite a few have him down for that position in their starting 13's.
Would it be better to have a 4 prop rotation of Morley, Peacock, Burgess and Graham or seeing all these are probably capable of long stints, using one of Morley or Peacock in the second row and having a 3 prop rotation system? Just a thought.
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Woody_woody wrote:Haven't seen much of Bradford this year. Has Burgess been playing loose? I only ask as quite a few have him down for that position in their starting 13's.
Would it be better to have a 4 prop rotation of Morley, Peacock, Burgess and Graham or seeing all these are probably capable of long stints, using one of Morley or Peacock in the second row and having a 3 prop rotation system? Just a thought.
He has played 13 but he is not as good with ball in hand as lockers.
I would play Burgess full game pretty much at SR with Morley and Ellis rotating maybe. Keep Peacock and Graham at prop with Carvell and Morley and Crabtree doing stints at prop but keep Peacock and Graham on as much as possible.
Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS
Odemwingie wrote:He has played 13 but he is not as good with ball in hand as lockers.
I would play Burgess full game pretty much at SR with Morley and Ellis rotating maybe. Keep Peacock and Graham at prop with Carvell and Morley and Crabtree doing stints at prop but keep Peacock and Graham on as much as possible.
Not a big fan of Crabtree. I'd be tempted to go with:
Peacock
Roby/Moore
Graham
Ellis
Lockers
Sinfield (for his kicking game - likelihood is we'll be in our half quite a bit so need a long kicking game)
Morley
Burgess
Carvell/Wilkin (if using Morley/Burgess as back row cover go with Carvell, Wilkin if not - I'd sway to an awesome foursome Bradfut oldskool)
Roby/Moore
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Woody_woody wrote:Not a big fan of Crabtree. I'd be tempted to go with:
Peacock Roby/Moore Graham Ellis Lockers Sinfield (for his kicking game - likelihood is we'll be in our half quite a bit so need a long kicking game)
Morley Burgess Carvell/Wilkin (if using Morley/Burgess as back row cover go with Carvell, Wilkin if not - I'd sway to an awesome foursome Bradfut oldskool) Roby/Moore
Maybe your right, but has Sinfield done that much kicking for Leeds, I thought it was Maguire.
Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS
Odemwingie wrote:Maybe your right, but has Sinfield done that much kicking for Leeds, I thought it was Maguire.
I'm not sure to be honest. I've just always noticed Sinfield's long kicking game especially in the last three GF's. Plus he's a good goalkicker which is a bonus.
I like McGuire's short kicking game and he would start at stand off for me partnering Tomkins or Myler.
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Woody_woody wrote:Not a big fan of Crabtree. I'd be tempted to go with:
Peacock Roby/Moore Graham Ellis Lockers Sinfield (for his kicking game - likelihood is we'll be in our half quite a bit so need a long kicking game)
Morley Burgess Carvell/Wilkin (if using Morley/Burgess as back row cover go with Carvell, Wilkin if not - I'd sway to an awesome foursome Bradfut oldskool) Roby/Moore
Morley
Moore
Graham
Peacock
Ellis
Lockers
Burgess
Crabtree
Carvell
Roby
That would be our best pack and our most effective way of beating th'aussies. Especially considering how light they are in the front row
Woody_woody wrote:I'm not sure to be honest. I've just always noticed Sinfield's long kicking game especially in the last three GF's. Plus he's a good goalkicker which is a bonus.
I like McGuire's short kicking game and he would start at stand off for me partnering Tomkins or Myler.
Good point, Sinfield is actually going to play he is the only kicker
Him and Bridge.
Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS
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