In the 6 games you played whilst Long was out didn't you win 3 and lose 3?

Must have a selective memory

My father used to talk about "eras"
There was the mid war era when Wigan had a wingman called Johnny Ring who one season scored I think 68 tries.
Then there was the immediate post war era when Hudds had a good team.
Now we have the Super League/Salary Cap era.
What is obvious though through these "eras" there is one constant.
That Wigan are the most successful club in the game having won more trophies than any other club.
We do need to add to the total and soon but that fact still remains true.
Lets hope IL/MM/SW can keep it that way!

EastStandFaithful wrote:Dont miss this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/oct/10/leeds-st-helens-super-league-grand-final1 A typical scathing Andy Wilson article. Each week he picks out someone or some club he doesn't like, and has a catty go at them. What's makes this one unusual is that it's Sean Long and Saints who are in the firing line. Granted, it's difficult to feel any kind of empathy for Sean Long at the best of times, and after his antics of this last week the holier-than-thou Guardian columnist was always going to line him up for a righteous pop. But there was no mention there, I notice, of the ridiculous video ref decision near the end, which took the game out of Saints' reach. Even as a Wigan fan I was shocked by that one.

EastStandFaithful wrote:Dont miss this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/oct/10/leeds-st-helens-super-league-grand-final1 A typical scathing Andy Wilson article. Each week he picks out someone or some club he doesn't like, and has a catty go at them. What's makes this one unusual is that it's Sean Long and Saints who are in the firing line. Granted, it's difficult to feel any kind of empathy for Sean Long at the best of times, and after his antics of this last week the holier-than-thou Guardian columnist was always going to line him up for a righteous pop. But there was no mention there, I notice, of the ridiculous video ref decision near the end, which took the game out of Saints' reach. Even as a Wigan fan I was shocked by that one.

I thought they were level

Ian Smith should have been VR at the GF. He's been doing well as VR.
As soon as Bentham was announced I said he'd mess up.
The Smith try was ludicrous, he was well in front when the ball was kicked.
Why didn't Bentham give Saints a penalty try when Webb went in knees first to stop Gardner? It was Webb's foul play that stopped Gardner from scoring so why not a pen try?

There were certainly a couple of incidents that massively helped Leeds out, and yet Wilson's article implies that, because Ganson was the referee, the officials were assisting Saints.

That said, I agree with him that appointing Ganson to control a match like that was fraught with danger - for Ganson's credibility as much as for the game's. I don't know whether the worst referee there's ever been - i.e. Cummins - was behind the decision to stop worrying about a ref's place of origin, but it was a bloody stupid one, and it would have been very typical of a man who did appear to favour St Helens whenever he was in charge of Wigan v Saints fixtures.

I also thought he was level. However, things like this even themselves out don't they?

It's just that saints have a long way to go before they are anywhere near equal on the dodgy decision front. IMO of course.

Actually the constant you say of Wigan having won more than anyone else only occured some 60 years after RL was born.
Uptil then Huddersfield were the most successful RL team.

What you say willis!