I wouldn't base alot on a reserve team Grand Final.

The fact remains though is that they had 7 players in that team who had have all played first team at some point this year, our lads stuffed them and alot of our 21s still qualify for the 18s. Takes some doing that whichever way you look at it.

What would you base it on?

- The fact Wigan won the Grand Final
- The fact Wigan went a year unbeaten
- The fact Wigan finished top.
- The debuts of Sam Tomkins, Lee Mossop, Sean Ainscough, Mark Flanagan
- The fact Sam Tomkins has been voted the best stand off in Super league and is the young player of the year
- The established players who have come through our ranks Joel Tomkins, Mike McIlorum, Paul Prescott, Eamon O'carroll
- The new exciting talent that are coming through Ian Thornley, Josh Vievers, Ben Davies, Liam Farrell, Chris Tuson and Joe Mellor

Again I will ask what would you base it on?

Its a good result for your young lads but that doesn't mean they will be stars in Super League.

Reserve League - Super League = Big difference

Yes Sam Tomkins, Lee Mossop, Sean Ainscough, Mark Flanagan have been good in Super League this season but Saints have had a few players do well in Super League as well.

What makes you think the Saints ones will then even though they got stuffed by ours?

Im not saying they will be but a wouldn't write them off because of losing in a reserve GF.

Why has Rommel's post crediting Wigan for winning the reserves grand final 34 -6 and collecting a trophy for their efforts been removed ?

Just posted this on the saints board but it seems to have been locked very quickly .

It's not just that though with Saints, they can bring all the youngsters through that they want but as proven this year with the experienced players getting older and picking up even more injuries it tells. Saints will struggle to replace the experienced players with the same quality and the youngsters IMO are only as good at the momet because of the quality they have around them. Same thing happened with us and it's going to happen to Saints, we know what's happening as we've seen the same thing happen at Wigan not so long ago.

I would love to see Saints fall like you have an start finishing 5th an below and there team to become weak, we might actually beat them then but I just can't see them going down hill that much, they need to keep Eastmond though he's key to there future.