You make some fair points Dave, though it will always be impossible to do a like for like comparison for two players who played a different number of matches, on different wings, against different opposition.

I think you're right that Amos needs to put in consistently better performances next year considering his reputation, experience, seniority and expected salary - and you know, i would not be in the least bit surprised if he did same with Riddell.

The only thing i ever have an issue with are the small minority of people who say Roberts is rubbish. He's clearly not rubbish, maybe not performing to what he's capable of or what maybe expected - but that doesn't make him bad, just underperforming (exactly the same with Riddell).

Lets see what the new regime can get out of the current squad, and let them decide how to progress and bring on our reserve/academy lads.

I really hope that Shaun never falls for the messiah like qualities that a small minority of people credit him with, but I really don't think he's that sort of lad. I just don't want to see trouble brewed between Shaun and the club where no trouble does or should exist.

I also don't want to see another Chris Ashton situation

Meters per game Roberts 84, Ainscough 102. We could go on all night but the post I made was in reply to one that said Roberts made the most tackle breaks and on average Ainscough made more per game. Selectively picking a different stat were Roberts was better doesn't alter that.

Dave

WTF is meters per game?

Straw clutchingirific.

Well that is where ones perception comes in and mine is that Ainscough looks to have something about him Roberts doesn't which given their different experience levels is.



I don't think he is a bad player either because every now and again he has had a really good game but he has had too many poor games this season.



I don't think there is much danger of that but getting back to Roberts he is one of the players who perhaps people are overlooking that the new coaches need to get more out of. Everyone is assuming Feka and Riddell will be the targets but if only two players were the problem we'd be much better than we have been.

Dave

Did Amos Roberts sleep with your wife Dave?

I think he slept with dave instead but just hadn't called since.

Ever heard of awards for the top meter maker? Obviously not!

The award goes to the player who made the most meters in a season. This year it was James Graham with 4713 but when you have two players who played a different number of games you do as you did and average out the stats per game. Obviously.

In that regard Ainscough made more meters per game than Roberts.

In the same way he made more tackle busts on average than Roberts, scored more tries per game than Roberts and made more clean breaks than average than Roberts.

All these stats are the Opta stats collected for every player throughout the season.

And guess what? In some stats Roberts is better than Ainscough. Just.

Now given one is a senior pro and the other a player in a debut season perhaps that might help you interpret the stats a bit better.

You can also dismiss a particular stat if you like but if you are going to quote stats in the first place that is what is "Straw clutchingirific."

Dave

To be honest you're right, there's room for improvement across the board in terms of delivering to potential, cutting out errors and giving 100% all the time of every match.

I honestly don't think we have any 'crap' players. We may have some underperforming ones, we may have ones who are not the best in SL at their given position. But I honestly don't think any of them are crap (and I know you don't either, just a tiny number who do).

If we can get every player on the team to give their all and buy in to the philosophy of continuous development and improvement we'll go a long way, and it will be like having some new signings.

Nobody ever says meters per game. Meters per carry is more telling.

And can you sort out your paragraphs. So painful to read your posts when they're split up into about 15 paragraphs.