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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:27 am 
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barham red wrote:I love statements like this, similar to the criticism that Morgan got for daring to say he thought we could get to OT prior to the kick off of the season.

What exactly would fans expect of a player / coach etc to say when asked what there aims where for the next season.

Should Welham have said "I think we'll be worse next year than this, the playoffs will have kileed us, I'd take 6th next year".

Or Morgan when asked what his aims are should say "We aren't good enough, bit weak up front, we'll struggle to make the 8"

Can imagine what would be said about an unambitious coach / staff would be made after that.


Now, if Agar came out and said this the media would laugh and say 'come off it, your not as good as that' :lol:






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1865 wrote:Definitely not.


Only time will tell but fantastic prospect IMO, we all have them, im sure you think Hull will do well next season :lol: :lol:

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rover49 wrote:He is doing well, but he will need more than a little 'bulking' up to get international recognition, he is a long way off and would be exposed badly by the Aussies and Kiwis. Maybe in a few seasons time, but at the moment we have several centres in front of Kris at the next level.



I didnt put a time limit on him, fantastic prospect for future IMO :)

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Mr. Zucchini Head wrote:Serious question, do you guys actually think he is a really good player, or do you just like him because he is a local lad and one of the few decent youngsters that you have produced?

I ask this because when you compare him with the other young centres in the competition he is avarage at best.


He's played 41 consecutive games for Rovers (if that's not the exact figure, it's something like that). Before that, he wasn't a Super League player. The progress he has made in those games been excellent and he has the potential to get better.

Kris is a good player at the minute. There are areas of his game that can improve but he's still young and relatively inexperienced. I can't think of any young centres that make Kris look "average at best", though.

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Mr. Zucchini Head wrote:Serious question, do you guys actually think he is a really good player, or do you just like him because he is a local lad and one of the few decent youngsters that you have produced?

I ask this because when you compare him with the other young centres in the competition he is avarage at best.


Basing my opinion on some posts on this board, I'd say the opposite is the case - that he doesn't get the credit he deserves compared to some of the more established or high profile players.

Compared to other youngish centres, playing in SL he's not Michael Shenton, fair enough. He's not as spectacular as Hall, but is more consistent. Is Clubb a similar age? - he's good but a very different type of player. So among good young centres he's possibly average - but they are a rare and valuable breed.

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Mr. Zucchini Head wrote:Serious question, do you guys actually think he is a really good player, or do you just like him because he is a local lad and one of the few decent youngsters that you have produced?

I ask this because when you compare him with the other young centres in the competition he is avarage at best.


I do think he is a good player, with the potential of being a great player. This is his first full season in SL & has been our first choice centre all season. As I said earlier he does make a few errors but given time Im sure these errors will be less & less.
Plus he's a fellow ginger, so he gets my vote every time :wink: :D

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Kris is a good kid and a 100% trier and team player and is very useful with regards the home grown quota .

But if you are brutally honest, he is not the sort if player who is going end his career with a stack of medals, and definitely not anywhere near international standard. His limitations have been exposed in a few of the big games. Greg Inglis would think all his christmases had come at once. To be frank, he would not get into Hulls team, a team who finished 12th.

If Justin is serious about his ambitions to win things extra quality is required. I would imagine that Ratu may well prove to be the better player, and, unless Webster does depart, dont think Kris will have another 100% appearance season next year.

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Mild Rover wrote:Basing my opinion on some posts on this board, I'd say the opposite is the case - that he doesn't get the credit he deserves compared to some of the more established or high profile players.

Compared to other youngish centres, playing in SL he's not Michael Shenton, fair enough. He's not as spectacular as Hall, but is more consistent. Is Clubb a similar age? - he's good but a very different type of player. So among good young centres he's possibly average - but they are a rare and valuable breed.


In fairness he is a decent player, and when I say young centres I obviously don't mean all of them, I mean the likes of the ones you mention.

I could name at least 5 or 6 centres of similar age in Superleague that I would have ahead of him, so on that basis speaking of him as an England cantidate is very premature.

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Mr. Zucchini Head wrote:In fairness he is a decent player, and when I say young centres I obviously don't mean all of them, I mean the likes of the ones you mention.

I could name at least 5 or 6 centres of similar age in Superleague that I would have ahead of him, so on that basis speaking of him as an England cantidate is very premature.


Would be very surprised, but feel free to name them :o

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Mr. Zucchini Head wrote:Serious question, do you guys actually think he is a really good player, or do you just like him because he is a local lad and one of the few decent youngsters that you have produced?

I ask this because when you compare him with the other young centres in the competition he is avarage at best.


probably the only thing holding the kid back is serious pace. he can add muscle and power over time. he has a knack of been in the right place at the right time ( that is a rare skill that no other young centre i have seen in the league has), and he reads the game well most of the time.

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