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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:26 am 
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you would have to be on glue to believe that 24 peoples random gueses calculated as a mean (which is essentially what he was claiming) would predict the lottery. The mean of those numbers are no more or less likely to win the lottery than any of the individuals guesses. Its just trickery as shown by him not revealing them before. Not knocking him as he is brilliant but you'd have to be stupid to believe that he genuinely predicted the lottery.

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Rugbychick™ wrote:Never camera trickery. He's not so mundane. !


Not so. Perhaps the main trick and illusion was not to predict the lottery but to convince people he had when all he had done was blatent camera trickery. Are you seriously telling me that you believe that 24 guesses averaged out are the way to predict a random number generation against odds of millions to one.
9/10ths of that show last nigh bore no relevance to the lottery win but was misdirecting people with genuine mathematical tricks thus convincing people that the main event was also a mathematical stunt.

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RyanWire wrote:Not so. Perhaps the main trick and illusion was not to predict the lottery but to convince people he had when all he had done was blatent camera trickery. Are you seriously telling me that you believe that 24 guesses averaged out are the way to predict a random number generation against odds of millions to one.
9/10ths of that show last nigh bore no relevance to the lottery win but was misdirecting people with genuine mathematical tricks thus convincing people that the main event was also a mathematical stunt.


they re right

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Rob Wire wrote:The show last night amounted to little more than blah blah blah for an hour then Derren Brown trying to convince people that the group came up with the numbers which he then said he re-adjusted the numbers based and some mathmatical formula out of sight of the group.

Ask yourself why a group that had helped him for so long and had put a lot of hours into this project didn`t even get to see the numbers before hand, they couldn`t have put the numbers on themselves as the channel 4 producers and lawyers would have got them to sign a legal agreement where they couldn`t discuss the project or play the draw on this particular day in a similar way that a jury can`t discuss a case until the trial is over.

1. The group that had helped him for so long didn`t even know what the numbers were themselves and they were supposed to be the ones that did most of the leg work and came up with the basis for the numbers.

2. At no point were the numbers revealed to the public before hand, they could have been released 5 mins before the draw was made and that wouldn`t have broken any agreement and it woouldn`t have influenced the draw or result in any way as this was one blokes opinion on what the numbers might be on that day.

The trick/illusion relied on knowing the result before hand and thats all it was, a trick/illusion. Its got a split screen written all over it, working on it for a year lol ...... Any good video editer could come up with the same result in a few days with the right set and equipment.


:CLAP: At last sanity. Anyone who thinks the numbers were predicted is barking mad. This is not to see he isn't a brilliant showman and very talented at the art of suggestion.

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Sorry if this has been mentioned earlier i only read last 3 pages, did any1 see his E4 show on wednesday were he reads people minds??






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Peckerwood wrote:Just to quash one theory out of extinction. Some people think that the fact the camera was shaking is a sign the whole thing was faked etc. I defy anyone to film a piece of footage hand held (like the cameraman was as we saw on Wednesday) and not make the video shake. Its almost impossible for anyone to hold a piece of equipment like that and there not be some sort of movement. If you don't believe me, look at when Bill Arthur is interviewing a coach or man of the match at the end of a Sky game and you will see the same thing occur.


So why use a hand held camera when there was no need to?






[quote='Fishsta"']I've always thought of McGuire as a good player, and I wouldn't normally wish injury on any player, but there was a certain hint of poetic justice to that.

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Another classic:

[quote='Fishsta']You forgot to take off the "Saints Reduction Factor" when calculating the ban.

Standard suspension / Saints Reduction Factor = Actual ban for Saints player.

Therefore (2 / 3) = 0.666

0.666 < 1 therefore actual ban equals "less than 1 match".

Therefore ZERO.[/quote]

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Don Brennan wrote:So why use a hand held camera when there was no need to?


because they followed him from the other room

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Don Brennan wrote:So why use a hand held camera when there was no need to?


wire-til-i-die wrote:because they followed him from the other room


Some people are so stupid :p






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Beeston_Loiner wrote:I'll go for Warrington are SH1T3! and Leeds are gonna make 'em look silly like we do to all the Pretenders in Finals..... 64th Minute when the Pressure starts to tell on the Useless TW@!

Bring on the Final!


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healey08 wrote:Sorry if this has been mentioned earlier i only read last 3 pages, did any1 see his E4 show on wednesday were he reads people minds??



i can read peoples minds....5 mins before the cup semi and final...i know people were thinking i hope we win today...easy

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Les Boyd Is God wrote:i can read peoples minds....5 mins before the cup semi and final...i know people were thinking i hope we win today...easy


No not every1 wigan and saints were thinking about how they would of brought more fans ;)






Never get too cocky

Beeston_Loiner wrote:I'll go for Warrington are SH1T3! and Leeds are gonna make 'em look silly like we do to all the Pretenders in Finals..... 64th Minute when the Pressure starts to tell on the Useless TW@!

Bring on the Final!


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