what's the wigan walk got to do with anything, do other fans of other clubs never go early.you say, you concede a try inside 2 minutes so you can't find the energy to support your team,absolutely pathetic.let's face it your team has worked wonders to get where they are,trying to become a big club,alas the fact is your support doesn't deserve them.

You know what, I am kinda fed up of our own supporters having a go at each other, people watch the game in their own way, there wasnt much to cheer about after the first 10 minutes anyway.

So those of you that want to cheer and shout get down to see the lads tomorrow and really do something to help the team - lift them now, when they are down


Stop wasting energy on slagging off those fans that wont be there and wont read this forum.

If (and hopefully when) I go again I will not sit on level 5 either. Will sit on the bottom tier as they seemed to have more spirit.

The kid sat next to me had a hooter. He persistently blew it from the minute he got to his seat (one of many on the row due to them swapping about half the game) but as soon as the game started he didnt bother...because his Grandpa told him to stop it!

There is still a large number of Fartown Fans who cannot grasp the singing scenario...they consider this more of a football thing. I am very vocal at games and will shout and sing wherever I am. I often get people turning round to see who is shouting...I often ask them why they are looking at me as the game is being played in front of them!

I have witnessed people who do not even clap when the team come out on to the field at the start of a game, nor clap or cheer when they score. Makes me wonder why they bother going sometimes but I suppose everyone cannot be the same.

I agree however you are preaching to converted on here pal - do us a favour and write to the Examiner so that the glory hunters and absentee's can read it!!

People were looking disgusted at me and my wife because we wanted to get behind the lads, going behind made no difference. I didn't go to the game because we were going to win, I went because I wanted to support my side and make a racket! Infact, I'm not feeling too down about losing because we lost to a better side on the day and that's the way it should be...the best side getting the glory.

There is clearly a divide of opinion and I can accept to an extent fans being more reservd during a normal Super League game, but for the sake of a Challenge Cup final I think we could have made a bit of an effort. Regardless of the score you need to spur your side on, give them that lift when they need it. Anyone who say's it doesn't make a difference is talking tosh. If you look at Stoke City in the Premiership, they were proven to have the noisest home fans in the league...compare their home form with their away form and you will see what I mean...and they had just been promoted, so hardly a team of world beaters!!!!

Come on Hudds fans!!!!

I agree with you on this one Ant.

Put yourself in the position of a 'new' giants fan. Got home after watching their first game live and decide to search on the internet to find more info and read others experiences at our capital city and what do they find?

A closed shop! We should be encouraging these people to come back, to learn the words to our songs. To sing along.

How do we go forward? Well my idea I will be putting to the club is twofold:

1. When dishing out tickets allocate specific blocks strategically for singers. Then why selling tickets ask people if they want to be in the singing areas and distribute them accordingly. This will create areas of noise within the stadium which will get the other fans singing. For example how many sing "Wise Men Say"? and how many join in with the "Fartown" chant at the end?

2. Offer songsheets to fans when they are purchasing tickets. They can be paid for by prereserved advertising and only charge the advertiser if we get there. Lets face it we have more songs than "Fartown...Fartown..." but our fans and certainly opposition fans never hear then because there are so few of us who know the lyrics.

Lets turn this thread from a negative into a positive and work with the club to ensure next time it doesn't happen - we blamed Twickenham in 06 for the lack of atmosphere in the ground, now we have no excuses.

Nothing described on here is unique to Hudds supporters. At Saints we have people who sit silently, who will only clap when a try is scored (and sometimes when the other side score a try as well!), who will never shout or sing (for or against) or boo the ref, who tell other people off for making a noise, standing up or sitting down or basically doing anything that inconveniences them! And we have consistently got a ton of 'glory hunters' at Wembley - we manage to sell at least 25,000 tickets but get an average gate of around 10,000. It's a mystery, this fan thing, but it's no different at any other club and don't let any other club's fans give the impression that it is! You're just feeling it today because Wembley is a fish bowl: everyone can see you and hear you and compare you.

Did my rendition of forever blowing bubbles at the end do enough to be roped in to our book of hymns?!?

I went to Saints v Bradford in 1997 Cup Final and it was rocking, we were stood up the whole game, singing, shouting, cheering and Bradford gave as good as they got too. I'm not gonna accept that Saints fans don't get behind their side and sing in a final. My dad's a Saints fan before anyone out's me as a Saints fan!!!!!

Good post, would go along with that.

I like Wise Men Say, think its a great song and more people are getting used to it since, as you say, more join in with the Fartown part at the end.

I think more people want to join in but dont feel confident enough. If someone wants to sit quiet that is up to them. I think there is a conflict between the two and like you say it may be better to put the singers together, and those who are more reserved together rather than the singers being told to shut up by the reserved ones, and the reserved ones being criticised for not singing.