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MMP but the report still says more reds than blues, and if you think that the name over the top of it do all the work think again, this report was put together from about 100 contributors and the Football bit was by Manchester Enterprises, thats how these thing are done because nobody is an expert in all walks of life, unless you are a city fan and they seem to be from all the comments so I take my flat cap off to you.
Perhaps if a similar thing was done today there might be different findings, personally the number of red season ticket holders in my household has tripled as memberships became tickets after this report so if that was repeated across manchester more like 24,000 reds now, but if you still believe there are more blues despite what the facts state you just carry on.
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Enfield Exile wrote:Funny that because many would claim United fans' focus on other teams chanting about Munich deflects attention from: * the very crappy way United, as a club, handled the disaster * United fans chanting about several nasty incidents (e.g. Heysel, Hillsborough, Galatasaray etc,,
Freudian projection.
Mate, it is relevant.
Stay out of this. It's a debate for adults with intelligence.
You go off on such a tangent just to divert attention
Joined: Mar 26 2003 Posts: 4069 Location: Bury Broncos
Bigpev wrote:MMP but the report still says more reds than blues, and if you think that the name over the top of it do all the work think again, this report was put together from about 100 contributors and the Football bit was by Manchester Enterprises, thats how these thing are done because nobody is an expert in all walks of life, unless you are a city fan and they seem to be from all the comments so I take my flat cap off to you. Perhaps if a similar thing was done today there might be different findings, personally the number of red season ticket holders in my household has tripled as memberships became tickets after this report so if that was repeated across manchester more like 24,000 reds now, but if you still believe there are more blues despite what the facts state you just carry on.
just for clarity, much of that section of the report does come from the CRDP research (i was a consultant on the Liverpool/Merseyside CRDP), managed by Manchester Enterprises (now "The Commission for the New Economy") although its interpetation in this report is by a pretty well respected group at Manchester Uni - they are independantly interpreting the ME work in this piece. The football stuff however does not come from ME or any ME research programme - its from a research team at MMU and included here by the Manchester Uni researchers as part of their interpretive piece.
the report shows that around 1/4 to 2/5 of both MCFC and MUFC fans come from the M postcode and around 3/4 to 4/5 of fans of both clubs come from witrhin the region....
intuitively, that tells me that both clubs fan bases are pretty much concentrated in the manchester area, in the region in general, but that both have a pretty similar fan base outside the NW...
that's all it says to me. what i found humourous (and what often makes me giggle) is how defensive united fans can get! the work shows how similar the clubs are in terms of the shares of fans from outside the North West
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mmp wrote: the work shows how similar the clubs are in terms of the shares of fans from outside the North West
It doesn't, it looks at one section of supporters, season ticket holders, it does not look into membership numbers, also the regional map only applies to City, why not similar for United to make it fair?
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Bigpev wrote:It doesn't, it looks at one section of supporters, season ticket holders, it does not look into membership numbers, also the regional map only applies to City, why not similar for United to make it fair?
????????????????????? the point of this element of the the work is that greater manchester has a city-regional identity
the table has the numbers in...78% of season ticket holders of MCFC live in NW, 72% of MUFC. hardly a huge difference? so the report makes that point - the distributions are pretty similar. this is followed by a map of city season tickets showing the national coverage of city season tickets to exemplify the point made...
of course, its all a big anti-MUFC conspiracy that a huge research programme of central government makes a tiny (but relevant) point like this, and doesn't choose to stick a map of MUFC season tickets in? it isn't "fair" even! distaster! world ends! its discrimination i tell thee...where's the EHRC when you need them?!
i write these kind of reports - you exemplify your points in as simple a way as possible. that's all they've done here...i just thought it kinda interesting!
Who gives a toss who has more fans in Manchester ???
The argument is one generated by the blue half because they haven't had anything football related to generate any kind of competition to United. They use the 'only club in Manchester' and 'More fans from Manchester' arguments constantly... and it gets a bit boring... but if that's what floats their boat... then go for it.
Until City can pull 75,000+ every home game... win 18 titles... 3 European Cups etc etc... then it's the only thing they have... so let 'em keep going on about it... it's funny. Let them have their delusions of grandeur... again... it's funny.
LoyalFan wrote:The argument is one generated by the blue half because they haven't had anything football related to generate any kind of competition to United. They use the 'only club in Manchester' and 'More fans from Manchester' arguments constantly... and it gets a bit boring... but if that's what floats their boat... then go for it.
Until City can pull 75,000+ every home game... win 18 titles... 3 European Cups etc etc... then it's the only thing they have... so let 'em keep going on about it... it's funny. Let them have their delusions of grandeur... again... it's funny.
Funny you should say that because United fans used to bleat on about the size of their crowds (and glory hunters etc..) to Liverpool fans because the scousers had won more trophies - still won almost twice as many EC/CL as United, if memory serves. Difficult to understand why it took United fans 20 years later to find that kind of thing funny.
Enfield Exile wrote:Funny you should say that because United fans used to bleat on about the size of their crowds (and glory hunters etc..) to Liverpool fans because the scousers had won more trophies - still won almost twice as many EC/CL as United, if memory serves. Difficult to understand why it took United fans 20 years later to find that kind of thing funny.
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Enfield Exile wrote:Funny you should say that because United fans used to bleat on about the size of their crowds (and glory hunters etc..) to Liverpool fans because the scousers had won more trophies - still won almost twice as many EC/CL as United, if memory serves. Difficult to understand why it took United fans 20 years later to find that kind of thing funny.
I never have mentioned crowds to our scouse friends as it is irrelevant.
Look at trophies won overall if you want to compare the two clubs.
What the feck has that got to do with which club has the most fans in Manchester anyway ?
BTW Enfield how many miles is that from Manchester
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