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Mrs Barista wrote:Choosing not to answer the question on why the RFL didn't publish specific scores on each criteria, just the overall grade, then. You'll be claiming this is a transparent process and the rating is informed only by a multiple choice answer sheet next :lol:

Err, no. I just know that if homegrown criteria is applied next time round, then it will be quantifiable in terms of numbers and not to individual interpretation and rightly so because I don't believe mediocre teams like yours should be rewarded ahead of quality teams like ours just because you choose the cheap option of promoting more local players than necessary instead of shelling out for quality players who will improve your team and improve the competition as a whole.

I know it's tough for you to take, but that's just the way it goes I'm afraid...

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The exact criteria must be known to the Clubs by next season at the latest to allow the bids to be submitted






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General Zod. wrote:Err, no. I just know that if homegrown criteria is applied next time round, then it will be quantifiable in terms of numbers and not to individual interpretation and rightly so because I don't believe mediocre teams like yours should be rewarded ahead of quality teams like ours just because you choose the cheap option of promoting more local players than necessary instead of shelling out for quality players who will improve your team and improve the competition as a whole.
I know it's tough for you to take, but that's just the way it goes I'm afraid...


1) So you're now saying Rovers spend more on players than FC.
2) You'll already get the point for contribution to the competition. This is a separate point on how you are bringing homegrown youth through to the competition and then potentially to the international arena.

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Roverswall wrote:The 1 point that has me scratching my head is what does 'Contribution to the competition' mean?
It cant be for Final League positions as that is already covered, Ditto to youth development and Stadia as well.
Would both Hull teams get a point as they add a true same city derby even though that flies in the face of them both dropping of a point for being to close to each other?


To be honest, both Hull clubs should be awarded this point solely on away support and the contribution us fans make to the coffers of every other superleague club.






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Captain Dave wrote:The exact criteria must be known to the Clubs by next season at the latest to allow the bids to be submitted


This is the RFL. No one really understands the overseas quota rules for next season, never mind the franchising arrangements for 2012. :lol:

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Mrs Barista wrote:This is the RFL. No one really understands the overseas quota rules for next season, never mind the franchising arrangements for 2012. :lol:


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Good point. There is a rather 'making up as they go along' by the RFL regarding policy.






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The homegrown player debate is an odd one. For instance, Wigan are quoted as being one of the best at bringing through Homegrown players and if you look at the numbers of ex Wigan academy players playing in SL first teams this cannot be denied.

Where this falls down is when you look at the fact that a lot of these players had to leave Wigan to get a first team chance, so is it Wigan who developed these players or is it the follow on club who did it.

Personally I think it should based on number of English (home national) players in a squad, whether developed or brought into the squad. Surely the development of Enlish players is the main criteria along with maybe a youth / community point for helping develop schoolboy type initialtives to allow the game to develop at grass roots.

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barham red wrote:The homegrown player debate is an odd one. For instance, Wigan are quoted as being one of the best at bringing through Homegrown players and if you look at the numbers of ex Wigan academy players playing in SL first teams this cannot be denied.

Where this falls down is when you look at the fact that a lot of these players had to leave Wigan to get a first team chance, so is it Wigan who developed these players or is it the follow on club who did it.

Personally I think it should based on number of English (home national) players in a squad, whether developed or brought into the squad. Surely the development of Enlish players is the main criteria along with maybe a youth / community point for helping develop schoolboy type initialtives to allow the game to develop at grass roots.

Good post. The problem is that all clubs will (if the RFL ever ends it's allowance of quota dispensations etc) have 20 British players in their 25 and 8 homegrown through their own academy. Some clubs like Wigan due to their size and level of investment will be churning out more players than they can realistically accomodate in their first team squad and will be a source of non-homegrown talent that other clubs (and the British sport overall) will benefit from. Others will bring through far fewer, include only a couple of ho egrown players in their 17 and just comply with the basic requirements. Question is whether the RFL think that what Wigan do, in terms of investing in the development of British players that ultimately benefits other clubs is something that should be recognised as part of the licensing system.

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Mrs Barista wrote:Good post. The problem is that all clubs will (if the RFL ever ends it's allowance of quota dispensations etc) have 20 British players in their 25 and 8 homegrown through their own academy. Some clubs like Wigan due to their size and level of investment will be churning out more players than they can realistically accomodate in their first team squad and will be a source of non-homegrown talent that other clubs (and the British sport overall) will benefit from. Others will bring through far fewer, include only a couple of ho egrown players in their 17 and just comply with the basic requirements. Question is whether the RFL think that what Wigan do, in terms of investing in the development of British players that ultimately benefits other clubs is something that should be recognised as part of the licensing system.
The other way it could be done is that teams who have a number of their own youth players even if they are no longer at that club playing in SL or SL and the Championship (Not all players make the grade through no fault of the clubs making) get the point.
If a player is top notch and is poached or turns out not to be the unbeliable talent the club expected its life and it happens but the club have still put in the time and effort bringing the player through.
The only problem I can see with this idea is that some players will have more than 1 club claiming them as there's.






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Roverswall wrote:The other way it could be done is that teams who have a number of their own youth players even if they are no longer at that club playing in SL or SL and the Championship (Not all players make the grade through no fault of the clubs making) get the point.
If a player is top notch and is poached or turns out not to be the unbeliable talent the club expected its life and it happens but the club have still put in the time and effort bringing the player through.
The only problem I can see with this idea is that some players will have more than 1 club claiming them as there's.

Excellent idea.

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