Did we have rugby with meaning last time we were relegated? No, we didn't. In fact, it was worse than this season.

how many years have I been telling you the "cure" finally our John listens, no more J2Os'

So the last few games mean something to you Please let us in to it !They mean nowt to me

Meaningless games were here long before the licensing system came about. In fact, come to think about it, since we won the first division championship in 1976/77 (I think it was then but I was only young! ), the vast majority of Salford games I've attended since have been in the meaningless category (and I use meaningless defined as 'nothing to play for').

Every time we've been in Super League we've never been in with a chance of winning it, including the year we made the play offs but that doesn't stop me wanting to go to games or buy a season ticket, indeed, I now think I go to most games steered by a combination of auto pilot and idle curiosity that we might actually turn someone over!

The fact remains that I enjoy my rugby and I want to watch the best that I can and I can say that without any shadow of a doubt that I would prefer to watch us play the likes of Wigan, Saints, Leeds, Wire etc. on a week to week basis rather than Leigh, Dewsbury, Barrow, Batley etc. and no disrespect to those clubs but watching us paste those sides in the Championship is way duller than watching so-called meaningless SL games.

Watching Salford is not for those people who enjoy watching meaningful games, as they are (and have been for some time) few and far between, I'm afraid that's still for people who follow the regular appearers in the top four to six of SL or whose team is still in the CC.

Not quite how I meant it. But the last month or so of watching a team that, in the main, didn't give a sh*t, go through the motions and bumble their way towards an inevititable relegation was a lot, lot worse than watching a few meaningless games in a season which we all knew wasn't going to mean anything anyway. The next couple of years are about building gradually for the future, which means I can live with a few meaningless, dull games at the tail end of a season.

By the way, Always behind the sticks has it spot on.

1975/76 won it, and theres me thinking you only came for the wonderful company

Bloody hell, 2 sensible posters with good points on the same thread, as rare as the dodo 99% of the time on here over the past few seasons....

I want relegation and promotion. 2 or even 3 teams each season. Give them something to play for.

At the moment I find paying £17 obscene for 2 hours of "entertainment". I'll go for 4 or 5 games a season to see mates but am I paying to watch the rugby..no. Don't think it's even worth more than a tenner, it's just that a lot of Salford supporters are really good gents/mates and I'm happy to know them.

With the greatest of respect, if you're only going to socialise, and only 4 or 5 times a year, does it make any difference to you whether we have P&R or franchises anyway??

Interesting subject there are plusses and minuses for and against, and I like the word "Meaningless" as it certainly has applied to us since the 70's unless we have just been relegated/won the second division.

For me though this season in particular has been awful, a bland plan A with a backup plan erm A, a start where mainly ex super league and NRL players need time to bed in, a false dawn when the top three are beaten for the first time in what thirty years, then the "Talent" at the club wants to go elsewhere, and then back to the form of the early season where Celtic can hammer you after they gave you a twelve point start, that only a week after sleighing the Saints.

I'll probably still go to all the home games next season having finally given up following them away after I can't remember how many years, (unless of coarse I actually feel like going rather than going out of duty/blind loyalty) but on careful consideration I won't be renewing my season ticket on the grounds of nothing to play for after about round 17 where the players just go through the motions again, and the crowd gets less and less week on week. Also with all the free fliers or get in for a tenner/fiver.

Like I said both have there drawbacks, I'd rather play and be competitive against Saints Leeds etc, but actually enjoyed the more traditional grounds of the Batleys etc. I'm sure the outcome will be chosen for us come the next franchise rounds, no ground i'm sure will mean no SL anyway. A new ground will ..

P+R yes for the excitement/worry. frinchise yes for the stability it offers (for three years anyway)

Have I missed anything probably..