Tronc is killing it in the NRL week after week - a huge coup for Wakefield and a huge disappointment for us.

Absolutely.

Personally i'd much rather we managed to get a James Graham-esque player than an enforcer, one area in particular i think we always look weak is when we are running the ball out of our own 20. Fielden makes no metres, and feka doesn't get enough of a run up, Coley [as good as he's been lately] gets the line up on him quick because of how he walks into the tackle.

I think if we got someone who could just make metre after metre then we'd be so much better off territory wise and that in itself would relieve a lot of the pressure on our backs.

Maybe it's that exact strict salary structure that enabled him to be signed, like i said none of us know the actual salary structure inside Wigan, and what potential signings are/are not after, and who else is on the radar. I gave the over the odds figure as an example, and didn't necessarily mean that tronc himself fell into that category.

Only time will tell, but I don't feel for myself (and of course this is only for myself) that it would help to get annoyed at IL when I don't know any facts about the situation or plans for future recruitment.

What's the alternative though ted?

Get upset, get frustrated about something we can do nothing about (unless anybody happens to have spare millions laying around and is prepared to buy the club and hope they can deliver us into the promised land), or support the team and club and hope it gets better.

I think its only right to express our frustration.

I agree all we can do is hope for the situation to change but year on year we are being told the same thing but every season the year it will turnaround is also moving a year into the future.

I do think IFL is the man to take us forward and genuinely like the bloke from what i have seen but he has made mistakes, all we can hope is that he is learning along the way, as it does seem sometimes the same errors from the outside are being repeated, but that is exactly our perspective the outside as it should be, and i do think he is working towards a plan, but he is i feel too eager to be throwing dates about when things will change which gives the fans that extra sense of frustration.

I would prefer if he said little rather than sometimes saying too much, and often offering some strange justifications for events at the club, ie Pirteck sponsorship and looking at Hunt etc as a realistic signing, its the inconsistencies that at the moment are getting to me as a fan.

Don't get me wrong jonh, not saying there's anything wrong with people expressing their frustration and i'm sorry if i'm coming across like that.

It's more the burn IL brigade that i'm curious as to why they get quite so vehemently upset about a situation over which they have zero control, and know even less of the facts about.

I didn't mean to imply you were part of that category.

Maybe i'm too laid back, I've got a lovely mrs, lovely kids, and I still enjoy my rugby even the losses/frustrations

I do think IFL is working to a plan, i too have a very happy home life but i am also passionate about the rugby and i in truth cannot enjoy the frustrations.

Having our Chairman stating we are looking at a half and a Prop and not delivering as yet, and making it very public in the media his meetings with agents and players is the main cause of my frustration along with indecission about the coaching or so it seems.

IFL has always stated or on the surface tried to come across as very open with the fans which i hope in truth is not the case, simply because at the moment he does not seem to be living up to some of the big statements he has made, i genuinly think less should be more but when a Chairman does speak to the media/fans it should be very clear and concice and not put unrealistic/non comittal statements out there.

I agree much of this is due to a lack of knowledge from the fans point of view and the dealings should remain behind closed doors until they are 100% confirmed, but i do not think the Chairman should add fuel to the fire contributing to the building of expectations.

IFl may well pull a few aces from the pack and generate some satisfaction for all concerned but missing out on players like Tronc and O'Meley is very frustrating looking at the weaknesses in our own team. Add to this rumours about Bailey going to Saints etc which i agree are only rumours, but at the same time it does make you wonder when we are going to be in a position to improve our great club.

You must have the patience of a Saint (so to speak) but the mixed messages that come from the club and the public way we seem to go about our business do nothing to help our cause at times.

Maybe i am too patient I kinda had to be pre 84/85 or I would have stopped watching altogether - I was gutted when we lost the CC final to Widnes in 84, but it was still moving in the right direction so I kept the faith.

Like i said jonh, am not classing you in that category of fan, you can always make a reasoned debate about why you're frustrated and that's a good thing.

The main thing IL needs to do now - IMO - is resolve the coaching issue. There are definite difficulties surrounding player recruitment, which many of us aren't aware of. But Nobby is coming to the end of his deal, and head-coach is a position not covered by salary cap restrictions - those are two good reasons for us to get out there and try to bring someone in who can get us up to the next level.

I know that's not easy, but Wigan is still an attractive proposition and we can afford to pay good wages. I doubt that we'd be able to recruit a top NRL coach, but someone like Macguire - a young guy on the up, with a great understanding of the game, and technical stratetic skills - would be ideal.

Despite last Saturday, I still feel the Wigan team is good enough, man for man, to make hay in SL, if only we had a man in charge who could get the best out of it.

But yes, we could make use of a quality prop too, because Fielden and Feka are just not delivering.

I definitely could see that making a difference, and I think it may even be possible to get a lot more out of Stuart and Feka with the right training/conditioning