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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:33 pm 
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holt fc wrote:no dummy runners
no second phase
no running from deep
no play on the fifth tackle
no kicking game
no leadership
no idea
no game plan
no proper use of the bench
no plan b
no enthusiasm
no play offs (again)
no idea
no bloody pride
find it hard to argue against that point


apart from that we are going on the right track

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B0NES wrote:The gash whats been served up from a "British" coach is absolute cack. This is NRL 4 years ago.


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i wouldent even say hes average abismals more fitting

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holt fc wrote:no dummy runners
no second phase
no running from deep
no play on the fifth tackle
no kicking game
no leadership
no idea
no game plan
no proper use of the bench
no plan b
no enthusiasm
no play offs (again)
no idea
no bloody pride


apart from that we are going on the right track
You could have a worlds best coach ..and he would do sweet FA with a lot of the players we have got ..player know they are on they way and don't give two hoops :?:






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holt fc wrote:no dummy runners
no second phase
no running from deep
no play on the fifth tackle
no kicking game
no leadershipno idea
no game plan
no proper use of the bench
no plan b
no enthusiasm
no play offs (again)
no idea
no bloody pride

apart from that we are going on the right track



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east hull FC fan wrote:Think it was more a case of trying everything we had (not much right now) at them first 30, couldn't get through, they score off there first serious attack. Heads go down, start feeling sorry for themselves, get battered.


Absolutely spot on.

It's the coaches' (and I include the sideline coaches and the on field "management") responsibility to motivate the team and it's clearly not happening. Once heads go down there seems to be no one interested in getting them back up again with the result being what we saw on Friday.

Interestingly when I got home on Friday Sky Sports had a Bobby Robson tribute on and the first thing I saw was him talking when he took over at Newcastle, who were on a shocking run of form. He said

"The players confidence is very low and players with low confidence struggle to perform to their potential. It's my job to given them that confidence and get them performing again"

Now if that isn't condemnation of Agar, Sharp etc and their style of coaching, I don't know what is.






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Chris28 wrote:Absolutely spot on.

It's the coaches' (and I include the sideline coaches and the on field "management") responsibility to motivate the team and it's clearly not happening. Once heads go down there seems to be no one interested in getting them back up again with the result being what we saw on Friday.

Interestingly when I got home on Friday Sky Sports had a Bobby Robson tribute on and the first thing I saw was him talking when he took over at Newcastle, who were on a shocking run of form. He said

"The players confidence is very low and players with low confidence struggle to perform to their potential. It's my job to given them that confidence and get them performing again"

Now if that isn't condemnation of Agar, Sharp etc and their style of coaching, I don't know what is.


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Richard Agar is not the whole problem, perhaps he is the symptom of a deep lying problem................ mediocrity

We have for so long now gone for the cheap option every time, Kear was cheaper then Bomber, then Sharp, then Agar and finally Jon Sharpe. I do not blame the coaches concerned as I do thing Rich Agar is doing the best he can, I think the same of Thorman as well. They simply are not upto the job and that brings me to appointment of those coaches. This is where the problem lies and I do think our board need to take a long hard look at themselves. I have been critical of certain parts of our boards activities and if only they could match up there clever, astute business accumine with some poor decision making on coaching and playing personel.

That is where the problem is and until they sort it all out, it will continue.






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Ian P wrote:Richard Agar is not the whole problem, perhaps he is the symptom of a deep lying problem................ mediocrity

We have for so long now gone for the cheap option every time, Kear was cheaper then Bomber, then Sharp, then Agar and finally Jon Sharpe. I do not blame the coaches concerned as I do thing Rich Agar is doing the best he can, I think the same of Thorman as well. They simply are not upto the job and that brings me to appointment of those coaches. This is where the problem lies and I do think our board need to take a long hard look at themselves. I have been critical of certain parts of our boards activities and if only they could match up there clever, astute business accumine with some poor decision making on coaching and playing personel.

That is where the problem is and until they sort it all out, it will continue.


Yes as unfortunately its a results business at the end of the day and the buck stops with him. He has been found out as a head coach and is out of his depth. He has shown very little in his ability to be able to work with a group of players regardless of the old chestnut that keeps getting trotted out "Its not his team". Although he has been with the club and knows the players what they can/can't do but nothing changes, we have seen no improvement infact quite the reverse.

Warrington were in a similar situation to us but they were man enough and brave enough to realise they have put a promising coach in at the deep end but threw him a life belt in the way of Tony Smith.


Nothing I have seen this season in way of the style of play, apparent lack of tactics, no game plan, team selection, use of interchanges, players still making the same basic and fundemental (schoolboy) errors gives me any confidence in Agar as the leader of this great club.

The club need to admit that they rushed Agar into the head coaches job and remedy this fact by getting in a proven coach as we will waste more time and lose fans next season.

The board are also at fault for accepting mediocrity but its a business decision for them as they realise the Black & White fans will still turn up so they risk paying out less to make a greater yield on their income, instead of speculating in quality playing and coaching staff to accumulate a greater fans base and ticket sales.

But for me Agar talked the talk but failed to walk the walk.






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Chris71 wrote:Warrington were in a similar situation to us but they were man enough and brave enough to realise they have put a promising coach in at the deep end but threw him a life belt in the way of Tony Smith.


Nothing I have seen this season in way of the style of play, apparent lack of tactics, no game plan, team selection, use of interchanges, players still making the same basic and fundemental (schoolboy) errors gives me any confidence in Agar as the leader of this great club.

The club need to admit that they rushed Agar into the head coaches job and remedy this fact by getting in a proven coach as we will waste more time and lose fans next season.



Spot on.

Warrington are by no means the finished article but they have showed a massive improvement under Smith (Quins game aside)

I have always stuck by our Coaches (and players) but like a lot of fans I've run out of patience. Any other club Agar would have been shown the door by now, and I don't buy any of this "its not my team cr@p"

Agar (+Sharp) have to go, and sooner rather than later, sad but true.....

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