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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:28 pm 
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As bad as the game today was overall, there was a clear improvement in the way we played when Grix was moved to stand off, with JD moving to centre & Gleeson on to the wing. This isn't a one-off either, we did the same against Saints & Leeds and both times we started to play better rugby.

The simple fact is that JK has been playing too many of the team out of position for too long & we were going to pay the price sooner or later. If we are going to take any sort of form into the playoffs, we MUST start playing people in their best positions. That means Grix getting a decent run at 6, moving JD out of the pack to centre & then we're only left with 1 player out of position with Gleeson on the wing - not that there's a huge difference in work between centre & wing.

We've reached that point in the season where the coach's tactics will either make or break our year. We have fully deserved our spot in the playoff places so far, but IMO we need 3 more wins to secure our place in the post season. That means beating Salford & Celtic (which we wouldn't look like doing based on today's performance) as well as beating one of Wire, Catalans or HKR.

I know that there will be many fans wearing rose tinited glasses that say JK can do no wrong because he saved us 3 years ago, but if we miss out on the playoffs this year that will be 3 successive years where we have started well but failed to finish the job off. The playing personnel has seen changes in that time so the only common denominator is JK. IMO if we fail to reach the playoffs, JK would fully deserve delivery of his P45 on Mad Monday.

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 Post subject: Re: Time to be controversial....
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:48 pm 
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RDM wrote:As bad as the game today was overall, there was a clear improvement in the way we played when Grix was moved to stand off, with JD moving to centre & Gleeson on to the wing. This isn't a one-off either, we did the same against Saints & Leeds and both times we started to play better rugby.

The simple fact is that JK has been playing too many of the team out of position for too long & we were going to pay the price sooner or later. If we are going to take any sort of form into the playoffs, we MUST start playing people in their best positions. That means Grix getting a decent run at 6, moving JD out of the pack to centre & then we're only left with 1 player out of position with Gleeson on the wing - not that there's a huge difference in work between centre & wing.

We've reached that point in the season where the coach's tactics will either make or break our year. We have fully deserved our spot in the playoff places so far, but IMO we need 3 more wins to secure our place in the post season. That means beating Salford & Celtic (which we wouldn't look like doing based on today's performance) as well as beating one of Wire, Catalans or HKR.

I know that there will be many fans wearing rose tinited glasses that say JK can do no wrong because he saved us 3 years ago, but if we miss out on the playoffs this year that will be 3 successive years where we have started well but failed to finish the job off. The playing personnel has seen changes in that time so the only common denominator is JK. IMO if we fail to reach the playoffs, JK would fully deserve delivery of his P45 on Mad Monday.


If i was moving a centre to the wing ,it would be Atkins.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:48 pm 
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I have no idea how long you have been supporting Trinity but I have been for 30 years. Now I fully accept that length of time as a supporter does not make my views more valid than the next supporter BUT it does allow you as a reader to appraise and evaluate my comments.

Never in all my time as a Trinity supporter have we been in the top flight with less than a quarter of the season to go and had a 50% win record. This is the best season in my lifetime. The McNally season was the previous best when I think we won 5 from 6 of the last games.

So you will forgive me if I don't join the clarion call for JKs head. Whilst you might think my comments are based on him saving us 3 years ago - naturally I'd disagree - they are based on 30 years.

There is a difference between recognising the positive influence JK is having on our club, cellebrating the successes and saying that JK does everything right because clearly he does not.

How about a little balance RDM?

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owiepob wrote:I have no idea how long you have been supporting Trinity but I have been for 30 years. Now I fully accept that length of time as a supporter does not make my views more valid than the next supporter BUT it does allow you as a reader to appraise and evaluate my comments.

Never in all my time as a Trinity supporter have we been in the top flight with less than a quarter of the season to go and had a 50% win record. This is the best season in my lifetime. The McNally season was the previous best when I think we won 5 from 6 of the last games.

So you will forgive me if I don't join the clarion call for JKs head. Whilst you might think my comments are based on him saving us 3 years ago - naturally I'd disagree - they are based on 30 years.

There is a difference between recognising the positive influence JK is having on our club, cellebrating the successes and saying that JK does everything right because clearly he does not.

How about a little balance RDM?


100% agree. you will hear me and my mates questioning some of kears decisions before and during most games, but this is done whilst ultimately knowing that he is the man we want in charge and that he has and is taking us forward. the last thing i want to happen to our club at this point is for kear to leave/be sacked. that would be suicide imo






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 Post subject: Re: Time to be controversial....
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:53 pm 
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RDM wrote:. IMO if we fail to reach the playoffs, JK would fully deserve delivery of his P45 on Mad Monday.


IMO i think your talking poop !!

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owiepob wrote:I have no idea how long you have been supporting Trinity but I have been for 30 years. Now I fully accept that length of time as a supporter does not make my views more valid than the next supporter BUT it does allow you as a reader to appraise and evaluate my comments.

Never in all my time as a Trinity supporter have we been in the top flight with less than a quarter of the season to go and had a 50% win record. This is the best season in my lifetime. The McNally season was the previous best when I think we won 5 from 6 of the last games.

So you will forgive me if I don't join the clarion call for JKs head. Whilst you might think my comments are based on him saving us 3 years ago - naturally I'd disagree - they are based on 30 years.

There is a difference between recognising the positive influence JK is having on our club, cellebrating the successes and saying that JK does everything right because clearly he does not.

How about a little balance RDM?


Totally agree.( I have got even more time in than you :wink:)

JK is the best we have had in 30 years

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total rubbish any post regarding Kear leaving.

im happy with the clubs progression and with most of the things im hearing for next year.

we wanted steady progression and we are getting it, days like today are not his fault.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:59 pm 
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I should have added RDM - I think your first three paragraphs are not far off the mark - just not the bit about JKs P45!

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owiepob wrote:I have no idea how long you have been supporting Trinity but I have been for 30 years. Now I fully accept that length of time as a supporter does not make my views more valid than the next supporter BUT it does allow you as a reader to appraise and evaluate my comments.

Never in all my time as a Trinity supporter have we been in the top flight with less than a quarter of the season to go and had a 50% win record. This is the best season in my lifetime. The McNally season was the previous best when I think we won 5 from 6 of the last games.

So you will forgive me if I don't join the clarion call for JKs head. Whilst you might think my comments are based on him saving us 3 years ago - naturally I'd disagree - they are based on 30 years.

There is a difference between recognising the positive influence JK is having on our club, cellebrating the successes and saying that JK does everything right because clearly he does not.

How about a little balance RDM?


I've been following Trinity for 20-odd years myself, so I've seen plenty of bad times & the good too. All I want is year-on-year progression, which I think we aren't seeing at the moment.

Don't get me wrong, I hope JK leads us into the play-offs & if he does I hope to see him lead us even further next year. But if he doesn't take us to the playoffs this year, it would mean a worse league position than last year & that clearly gives good reason for looking at the non-playing side of things as well as the playing staff.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:07 pm 
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Sure RDM I agree that failure of the club to progress should merit the none playing side being looked at - but its a hell of a jump from looking at your structures to sacking the only coach the club has had in 30 years with a proven track record of winning stuff (allbeit elsewhere).

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