Chris71 wrote:Sorry I may have confused the issue, I'm not saying we should be competing for 3rd place. What I am trying to say is the team should be able to compete with the teams lying above them from 4th down more than they have this season if the application etc had been better.
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downtheante wrote:It is my opinion that bringing Sharp in (whom I think did a good job at Huddeersfield all things being considered) was unneccessary. I had hoped to see how Agar fared on his own two feet. Had I been Agar, I would have been a little miffed at having Sharp brought in - is he his senior/his mentor/his assistant? I even wondered if they were going to get rid of Agar before he'd had a proper go at the job. So, as much as I like Sharp (and I think he was a great servant to Hull FC as a player) I would rather he wasn't here.
I'd agree with most of that, although it was said at the time that Agar asked for Sharp to come in order to add some experience to the coaching team.
downtheante wrote:I think we have seen what Richard Agar is capable of when he is given free rein as he was before he handed over to Sharp. However, his detractors would probably say that that was all to do with Kear setting up the team - although results dipped under Sharp. So, I'd like to see him solely in charge but taking on input for key players (like Kearney offered when he was here)
And here is where I have to disagree.
We didn't see what Agar was capable of at all. By his own admission he did next to nothing following Kear's departure and the upturn in form was down to the players deciding to play again. Sharp came in just a few games later and was here for the whole of the run to the GF.
My concern, which IMO is backed up by the available evidence, is that Agar is one of those coaches who is a great assistant but just doesn't have what it takes to be head coach.
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Kosh wrote:My concern, which IMO is backed up by the available evidence, is that Agar is one of those coaches who is a great assistant but just doesn't have what it takes to be head coach.
Now that is a point I will agree with you on, as I said before he is the Brian Kidd of RL.
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geronimo wrote:I not saying that I am just thought I read it somewhere (HDM or HULL FC site)
I wasn't having a pop - what I meant was that I don't know what is true and what isn't. I know that they are friends but I think it unlikely that the board would take on the added expense of an additional "coach" because their current choice wasn't confident enough to do the job himself. Perceptions and rumours often have the habit of eventually being believed to be facts.
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Chris71 wrote:Sorry I may have confused the issue, I'm not saying we should be competing for 3rd place far from it. What I am trying to say is the team should be able to compete with the teams lying above them from 4th down more than they have this season if the application etc had been better.
That does clarify things, and we're probably not too far away from agreement. We should have been competing better all round this season, although TBF one or two losses have been narrow. Some of that is down to a poor attitude from some of the players, but a large chunk of it needs to be placed at Agar's door. He's failed to make the best of a bad job IMO, although it does appear that he might have been trying to do so with one hand tied behind his back...
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Kosh wrote:I'd agree with most of that, although it was said at the time that Agar asked for Sharp to come in order to add some experience to the coaching team.
And here is where I have to disagree.
We didn't see what Agar was capable of at all. By his own admission he did next to nothing following Kear's departure and the upturn in form was down to the players deciding to play again. Sharp came in just a few games later and was here for the whole of the run to the GF.
My concern, which IMO is backed up by the available evidence, is that Agar is one of those coaches who is a great assistant but just doesn't have what it takes to be head coach.
I echo that sentiment - I just don't think he's had the best luck as a coach this season.... so far..... and I'd prefer to judge him when he has had a half-decent and fit squad to choose from. There are still a few games left and people are returning from injury and one of his major "impact" signings isn't far away from being ready. With a fair wind and a couple of wins in the next two games and the season could look a little different so we might be able to judge him this year
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downtheante wrote:Sorry you asked another question in here. I think that that is precisely what a club with a grade A license should be doing - leading the way by investing in British "talent" (we'll all judge that differently).
Ha, I'd rather have a Grade C license and a decent coach! Doubt any club will take a leaf out of our book and back a useless coach like Agar!
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downtheante wrote:I echo that sentiment - I just don't think he's had the best luck as a coach this season.... so far..... and I'd prefer to judge him when he has had a half-decent and fit squad to choose from. There are still a few games left and people are returning from injury and one of his major "impact" signings isn't far away from being ready. With a fair wind and a couple of wins in the next two games and the season could look a little different so we might be able to judge him this year
totally agree with you there could backfire but id be willing to give him a chance next season if it didnt work out then say goodbye
GM1 wrote:Ha, I'd rather have a Grade C license and a decent coach! Doubt any club will take a leaf out of our book and back a useless coach like Agar!
Yup, it amazes me the mediocrity that people will stand for, and how ready they are to make excuses for other people inability.
How far into next season do we give Agar then, 6 games, 12...?
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