oggy123 wrote:yeah i think anyone could manage the top 4 with the resources they are given not knocking Ferguson and Wenger too do it over a period like they have is awesome but the always had substantial financial backing.
I hate to break it to you, but Ferguson hasn't just managed Man United. He managed St Mirren. A First Division title won won him the Aberdeen job. At Aberdeen, 3 Scottish Premier League titles, 4 Scottish cups and a Cup Winners Cup earned him the Man United job. At Man United he's won 2 Champions Leagues, 11 Premier League titles, 5 FA Cups, 3 League Cups and a Cup Winners Cup.
If you really want to say that David Moyes trumps that with his second division title it's okay, but it is moronic.
Now lets compare Moyes with Benitez. Benitez has won the La Liga with Valenica as well as the UEFA Cup. At Liverpool he has won the FA Cup and the Champions League. If you want to say that Moyes's second division title trumps those it's okay, but it's moronic.
Arsene Wenger has won the French league and a French cup. At Arsenal he's won 3 titles and 4 FA Cups. He's managed to reach a CL final. He's consistently managed to compete at the top with a tiny budget compared to his competitors. It's not quite moronic to say that Moyes's second division title makes him a better manager than Wenger, but it's still pretty stupid.
I'm not overly convinced by Ancelotti, but his two CL wins and a Serie A title and Cup win are also worth massively more than Moyes's trophy haul.
There's no doubt that Moyes is one of the highest rated managers in Britain right now. He's probably done enough to deserve a chance at a bigger club to show he can perform at that level. But you just don't skip that part and laud him as the best before he even manages to get a top job. Moyes could get a top job and fall on his face like Scolari did. There's a host of managers who have done well at mid-ranking sides but failed completely when given a chance higher up.
When Moyes takes the step up and wins things he'll deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the top managers. ATM he'd probably lose out in a debate over whether him or Joe Royle were the better manager.