Cruncher wrote:Agreed. We don't need Bailey. His age and his nationality are against him. I just hope this, along with the Hock fiasco, doesn't change the dynamic of our recruitment policy and means we now start looking for a second row instead of a prop or half. We've got the back-row covered among our own ranks already.
If a top draw second rower becomes available to us then i'd persue the interest but i hope the club doesn't go out of it's way looking for one.
Prop
Halfback
Second row or 2nd prop
should be what we're looking for and in that order.
SiY wrote:I'm just bit worried about losing someone who appears to have experience a level head and probably commands respect in the changing room.
Granted he probably isn't worth the quota spot and i don't know his wages but if his replacement is another youngster, we'll soon be lacking experience and be a step further away from getting back the culture of the club as we have little players with experience to guide these new academy players.
By the looks of it in the next 2 years we could have Tomkins, Ainscough, Flanagan, Farrel, Mossop, Thornley and Davis either in the first team or pushing the bench spot. Thats a lot of inexperience. It's vital one of our next signings will be able to settle the changing room and guide these players from young lads playing rugby into professional sportsmen.
We need a player like Pongia, C.Smith or Lammy someone to really focus them and keep them from thinking that they have "made it". A new coach may be able to help but i think we need a player to do that.
I honestly believe O'Loughlin will be able to do this but another player to help wouldn't hurt.
It's a fair point but I think the two new signings we will make will be experienced players and with putting so many young players in the first team I have no doubt we will see the rewards of that in years to come as saints and leeds have.
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[Gareth] wrote:cant we tempt mr fletcher out of retirement?
His type of forward would be perfect for us imo after we've signed an out and out prop.
Nathan Hindmarsh was meant to have turned us down a couple of months back and thats a shame because he'd have been a player that really could have helped us. He's get great experience, is a leader and never shirks a challenge aswell as being able to cover at prop if needs be.
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NickyKiss wrote:His type of forward would be perfect for us imo after we've signed an out and out prop.
Nathan Hindmarsh was meant to have turned us down a couple of months back and thats a shame because he'd have been a player that really could have helped us. He's get great experience, is a leader and never shirks a challenge aswell as being able to cover at prop if needs be.
Shame.
imo, theres only 1 player we need to bring into the pack and thats Steve Price
[Gareth] wrote:imo, theres only 1 player we need to bring into the pack and thats Steve Price
That is just unrealistic if you ask me.
Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS
This season we've had an underpowered pack which had in it players like,
Fielden, Coley, Feka, Prescott & O'Carroll as our props. That front row has been second best in too many games and that's why we've won so few. We very obviously needed another big powerful prop and this need was identified well prior to the start of the season. He never arrived.
Noble will have identified the men he wanted so why haven't they been signed? It seems we've signed in every position but where the priority lay, prop forward.
Coley is OOC and it looks like Bailey will be leaving, after Tuesday we may well have lost Gaz Hock. That is a lot of experience and skill which won't be around next year.
We still need one prop for this year, if Coley goes we need two for 2010.
Should neither Hock & Bailey be here next year we need an experienced 2nd row to complement the younger player/s who may come in. Surely we'll go for a player such as Puletua, Fakir or Lauatiti. We need the type of bulk, power and skill that those guys provide.
So at the moment it looks like we will need two props, an experienced 2nd row with a younger player coming into the squad, perhaps Flanagan, Farrell or Mossop. Then of course there's the quality half back that is also a priority.
IL & BN have their work cut out finding that lot. Money and quota spots may well not be the problem, finding the right player could be difficult.
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Father Ted wrote:This season we've had an underpowered pack which had in it players like, Fielden, Coley, Feka, Prescott & O'Carroll as our props. That front row has been second best in too many games and that's why we've won so few. We very obviously needed another big powerful prop and this need was identified well prior to the start of the season. He never arrived. Noble will have identified the men he wanted so why haven't they been signed? It seems we've signed in every position but where the priority lay, prop forward. Coley is OOC and it looks like Bailey will be leaving, after Tuesday we may well have lost Gaz Hock. That is a lot of experience and skill which won't be around next year. We still need one prop for this year, if Coley goes we need two for 2010. Should neither Hock & Bailey be here next year we need an experienced 2nd row to complement the younger player/s who may come in. Surely we'll go for a player such as Puletua, Fakir or Lauatiti. We need the type of bulk, power and skill that those guys provide. So at the moment it looks like we will need two props, an experienced 2nd row with a younger player coming into the squad, perhaps Flanagan, Farrell or Mossop. Then of course there's the quality half back that is also a priority. IL & BN have their work cut out finding that lot. Money and quota spots may well not be the problem, finding the right player could be difficult.
Like you say it comes down to who we let go and who retain, personally would definitely let Bailey go, as for Coley I'm unsure it really depends who we can bring in, there's no point replacing like with like.
If Lenegan and the future coach get a plan together, at the end of this season and next will give us the ability to completely restructure are pack, particlaraly the frontrow.
It's definitley a fine line to balance, especially when were still in need of a halfback, and the number of halfbacks available are dwindling by the day.
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