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Gordon Gekko wrote:They have also spent time outside the top flight and never negelected their YD.
1 season in the last 11 is a fairly skinny definition of "time" Coupled with 700k parachute payment for the 2002 season, I should think they did continue with youth development!
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Alphabetti Spaghetti Go! wrote:1 season in the last 11 is a fairly skinny definition of "time" Coupled with 700k parachute payment for the 2002 season, I should think they did continue with youth development!
Fair enough (though i don't think they got 700k).
Whichever way you look at things over the past few years Rovers have negelected their YD and even now are just paying lip service to it. They have no real strategy or structure in place hence the continual flow of coaching staff 'chucking it'.
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Gordon Gekko wrote:Fair enough (though i don't think they got 700k).
Whichever way you look at things over the past few years Rovers have negelected their YD and even now are just paying lip service to it. They have no real strategy or structure in place hence the continual flow of coaching staff 'chucking it'.
Beyond signing promising youngsters, training them properly and providing foundation, academy and U-21 teams for them, what sort of startegy or structure are you looking for? By every measure available to me, it looks to be progressing reasonably well, albeit from a poor starting position.
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Gordon Gekko wrote:Fair enough (though i don't think they got 700k).
Whichever way you look at things over the past few years Rovers have negelected their YD and even now are just paying lip service to it. They have no real strategy or structure in place hence the continual flow of coaching staff 'chucking it'.
I'm scratching my head as to where the fig of 700k came from. Perhaps that was their salary bill for the 2002 season when they became the 1st lower league team to run a full squad of full timers.
Either way, I would dispute the term "lip service" without any evidence to support it.
Gordon Gekko wrote:Fair enough (though i don't think they got 700k).
Whichever way you look at things over the past few years Rovers have negelected their YD and even now are just paying lip service to it. They have no real strategy or structure in place hence the continual flow of coaching staff 'chucking it'.
I'm scratching my head as to where the fig of 700k came from. Perhaps that was their salary bill for the 2002 season when they became the 1st lower league team to run a full squad of full timers.
Either way, I would dispute the term "lip service" without any evidence to support it.
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Mild Rover wrote:Beyond signing promising youngsters, training them properly and providing foundation, academy and U-21 teams for them, what sort of startegy or structure are you looking for? By every measure available to me, it looks to be progressing reasonably well, albeit from a poor starting position.
Yet Castleford have kept faith with using local players despite shuttling between divisions and have brought through Westerman, Shenton, Owen, Huby etc and are actually playing them regularly in the first team. The question is how many games Esders, Watts and Spaven will get in total this season if commitment to youth policy is as robust as you suggest.
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Mild Rover wrote:Beyond signing promising youngsters, training them properly and providing foundation, academy and U-21 teams for them, what sort of startegy or structure are you looking for? By every measure available to me, it looks to be progressing reasonably well, albeit from a poor starting position.
The true test of a youth set up is how many make it to regular first team action. At youth level Rovers have gone through umpteen coaches since they got promoted in a way that suggests they have not thought enough about the appointments.
Continuity is important to a players development something sadly lacking at the club at YD level. It is true to say they have some decent youngsters at the club (as do most SL clubs) but the continual upheavel of the coaching staff will do nothing to bring them on.
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Gordon Gekko wrote:The true test of a youth set up is how many make it to regular first team action. At youth level Rovers have gone through umpteen coaches since they got promoted in a way that suggests they have not thought enough about the appointments.
Continuity is important to a players development something sadly lacking at the club at YD level. It is true to say they have some decent youngsters at the club (as do most SL clubs) but the continual upheavel of the coaching staff will do nothing to bring them on.
In other words 'Rovers are trying to find the right man but seem to be struggling to find him'.
Now if we are only paying lip service to YD why would we bother?
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Roverswall wrote:In other words 'Rovers are trying to find the right man but seem to be struggling to find him'. Now if we are only paying lip service to YD why would we bother?
Because you have to in order to meet the SL criteria.
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Mrs Barista wrote:Yet Castleford have kept faith with using local players despite shuttling between divisions and have brought through Westerman, Shenton, Owen, Huby etc and are actually playing them regularly in the first team. The question is how many games Esders, Watts and Spaven will get in total this season if commitment to youth policy is as robust as you suggest.
There is a whole world of difference in "shuttling between divisions" - 2 years outside SL in total, and 12 consecutive years with no Sky money. The right time to judge Rovers youth development will be the 2nd round of franchises, when the kids who are playing academy level right now are filling 1st team slots.
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Gordon Gekko wrote:Because you have to to meet the SL criteria.
So you are now saying we are trying to improve it then?
Surely if we have a team in place for YD why would we change it all the time unless we want it to improve?
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Coupled with 700k parachute payment for the 2002 season, I should think they did continue with youth development!
