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Prestwich Red wrote:You still are a bitter pie eater cos you dont win trophies now aren't you.
Tell you what just cos you are Wigan we will also put you on Sky every other week and give you the largest percentage of the money....
Hang on :wink:
As for deciding the cap you take the clubs together and work out a figure that can be afforded by all clubs so they can then spend up to that amount.
3 million in Oz is working as they have a much more competitive league than ours added to the fact the clubs are now blooding more youngsters.


Absolute cr@p
I went to Australia to see us get humiliated. I am a Rugby League fan who happens to support Wigan and I'll bet I've done that far longer than you have supported Salford.

A club that appears once on Sky only gets the same money as a club who appears times. Do you think that it should change?

Another couple of things I would do. I would give a percentage salary cap dispensation for every player a club produces from it's own service area who comes through it's own academy system. That would encourage clubs to build from THEIR base, and then allow them to use the salary cap money it frees up to bring a couple of TOP class overseas players in.

I would also have every Superleague Club form a partnership with an Australian Club and each year send one or more of their top players over to Australia on a years scholarship.






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Rogues Gallery wrote:I am in favour of the salary cap but set at levels that all clubs can afford themselves.

You really are a tool aren't you.
Wigan can afford 10 million as they are bound to say that what with their loyal fans wordwide support etc,Salford can only afford 1.5 as we really dont even deserve to be in SL do we ?
Who can get the best players ?
A salary cap is just as it says.
It stops clubs such as Wigan overspending and getting all the best talent so they can buy trophies.
Look at the league this year massive Wigan at the bottom end Huddersfield, Cas, HKR at the top end.
Even little Salford have beaten Leeds this year.
In your world we go back to a uncompetitive league, lots of overpaid past their best Aussies foreigners and one club dominating.

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Prestwich Red wrote:You really are a tool aren't you.

No I'm not.

Wigan can afford 10 million as they are bound to say that what with their loyal fans wordwide support etc,Salford can only afford 1.5 as we really dont even deserve to be in SL do we ?
Who can get the best players ?
A salary cap is just as it says.
It stops clubs such as Wigan overspending and getting all the best talent so they can buy trophies.
Look at the league this year massive Wigan at the bottom end Huddersfield, Cas, HKR at the top end.
Even little Salford have beaten Leeds this year.
In your world we go back to a uncompetitive league, lots of overpaid past their best Aussies foreigners and one club dominating.


If Superleague being competitive has been so good for the game, why was the World Cup a shambles?

Why has the standard of player dropped in the last 15 years?

If you lower the cap, as you are advocating where are the good young players going to go?

By the way which football team do you support?


Will you be at Wigan tomorrow?






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As Pev says the cap was brought in to ensure clubs dont go bust by overspending. Running a SL is a lossmaker from the word go and its only because of thriftiness & good housekeeping clubs can keep their heads above water.

Fortunately we have JAW, HC & IW to help fund the net losses but without a cap the losses would be even greater as clubs will always strive to achieve better results for the fans by spending more than they can afford.


Wiganers should stop bleating and understand the cold hard facts of financial life out there. Without Tescos purchase of Central Park there would be no Wigan.

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Rogues Gallery wrote:If Superleague being competitive has been so good for the game, why was the World Cup a shambles?

Typical Wigan fan, you are right everyone else is wrong.
For starters the World Cup was shambles because the same failed players were picked. A plus point was that no Wigan players were there, is this why you are a little vexed ?
Quote:Why has the standard of player dropped in the last 15 years?

Maybe at Wigan but elswhere I think there are a lot of very good players coming through
Quote:If you lower the cap, as you are advocating where are the good young players going to go?

You should know that. Wigan have let a lot of there good young players go.If your lot want to buy overpriced and overhyped Ozzies then thats up to you
Quote:By the way which football team do you support?

Waiting for that one and it has fook all to do with this
Quote:Will you be at Wigan tomorrow?

Why do you want a fight :lol: .

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Michigan red wrote:A simple by product of an equal salary cap is that the clubs who have the greater amount left after the cap is taken into account have more left to invest be that on the facilities or if done properlley in the youth development system. And therefore they grow more anyway.

An eqaul cap is the fair way as is proved down under.


But what happens then if you can't afford them?
See my post on the previous page for my solution.

But that won't sit well with many as Wigans youth system is still tops.






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Rogues Gallery wrote:But what happens then if you can't afford them?
See my post on the previous page for my solution.

But that won't sit well with many as Wigans youth system is still tops.



Yes so haveing a full and equal salary cap wont make a difference in the qaulity of your youth system will it?

I think if you said to every club the cap for next season is £1,800,000 and you can all spend up to that the clubs would find either the money from there coffers, from backers or from new sponsers and we would see a much more level playing field.

If we want clubs to go to the wall let's do away with the cap and watch the likes of Huddersfield, London and Bradford overspend themsleves into oblivion.






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Michigan red wrote:Yes so haveing a full and equal salary cap wont make a difference in the qaulity of your youth system will it?

I think if you said to every club the cap for next season is £1,800,000 and you can all spend up to that the clubs would find either the money from there coffers, from backers or from new sponsers and we would see a much more level playing field.

If we want clubs to go to the wall let's do away with the cap and watch the likes of Huddersfield, London and Bradford overspend themsleves into oblivion.


If we had a % system we could probably spend more on youth development. Look back a page and see what I think should be done. Reward youth development.

Every club can NOW spend up to £1.6 million, so why are some wanting to lower it?






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Rogues Gallery wrote:If we had a % system we could probably spend more on youth development. Look back a page and see what I think should be done. Reward youth development.

Every club can NOW spend up to £1.6 million, so why are some wanting to lower it?


It's not necessarily about simply spending money.

As far as the cap is concerned, it's fine as it is and there is no need to lower it.

What I really don't see is where the idea of this correllation between the England team being crap and a salary cap being in place comes from.

The amount of money that teams can spend on players has nothing to do with talent coming through the ranks. RL is a minority sport in this country and it is massive in Australia/NZ compared to us - they're always going to have a bigger chance of better quality youngsters coming through when the size of their player pool is massive when measured against ours.

A bit off topic (as if this thread hasn't moved off topic already :wink: ) but look at athletics in this country - a huge amount of money is spent on it yet we can't produce quality track athletes when compared to other countries that spend a fraction of the amount we do.

We're already seeing the effects of the franchise system in terms of the increase in the number of youngsters being given starts over the past 2 seasons and a glance at the England squad shows that almost every single English club has a player that has been called up. The salary cap means that there is more of a chance for that talent to be spread out rather than two or three teams stockpiling all the talent as we have seen in previous years.

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Adamjk wrote:It's not necessarily about simply spending money.

As far as the cap is concerned, it's fine as it is and there is no need to lower it.

What I really don't see is where the idea of this correllation between the England team being crap and a salary cap being in place comes from.

The amount of money that teams can spend on players has nothing to do with talent coming through the ranks. RL is a minority sport in this country and it is massive in Australia/NZ compared to us - they're always going to have a bigger chance of better quality youngsters coming through when the size of their player pool is massive when measured against ours.

A bit off topic (as if this thread hasn't moved off topic already :wink: ) but look at athletics in this country - a huge amount of money is spent on it yet we can't produce quality track athletes when compared to other countries that spend a fraction of the amount we do.

We're already seeing the effects of the franchise system in terms of the increase in the number of youngsters being given starts over the past 2 seasons and a glance at the England squad shows that almost every single English club has a player that has been called up. The salary cap means that there is more of a chance for that talent to be spread out rather than two or three teams stockpiling all the talent as we have seen in previous years.


I'll post tomorrow to show you, as I'm watching the footy show on Setanta now.

But just have look at the England and Wales teams from the 1995 World Cup, and tell me how have things got better.






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