I knew this would happen as soon as you posted, I've seen how you try to argue with people hence why I told you I wouldn't get involved but you pressingly push the issue way after the other person (myself had said he wants nothing to do with it)

I said my opinion then you said yours. No opinion is right, ITS AN OPINION

So you have seen every match he has been in over the last two years?

With the internet, one does not Setanta to watch the NRL.

I am not giving you poop for having a different opinion, seriously you need to calm down. I am happy to face facts that people have other opinions its what makes this board interesting, it seems though you will not deal with the facts i have highlighted that back up why i think Orford it a better option.

I do not think i ever said i have seen Orford play a couple of times either?!

I am leaving it at that, unless you can post a valid response to the debate we were having rather than acting like a petulant child, if you are able to take the debate forward i look forward to continuing it with you.

You'll find Last Son Of wigan actually stated Orford is in a team with superstars. At Wigan Orford is not going to have this. That was his point.

No i have not seen every game just those on Setanta and the highlights and yes i am aware that you can watch the games on the Internet but sadly i do like to leave the house sometimes and spend time with my family.

The way i see it from the games i have seen and the fact he is the current Dally M which pretty much rewards consistent form its a bit rich to call his form patchy over the last 2 years.

Neither is Sean Long.

Lets look at the fact then of both players. (REGARDLESS ITS MY OPINION AND BY NO MEANS SHOULD I HAVE TO JUSTIFY THEM TO YOU)

Orford-SL experience none. Not used to the weather conditions, not just rain you pedantic lover, Is this a fact, yes, how many Aussies have you seen come over here and not turn up until the sun comes out? Lots.

Does he even want to come to the UK? Never ever stated that he did.

You bang on about Orfords stats but what about Longs

20 rep caps
won 3 Lance Todd trophies
Scored over 2000 career points

Played all his games in SL. Experienced and local.
Won't feel the need to go back home, cos he's local unlike a potential Orford.

When have I ever said I'm hellbent on Long when I also said sign Myler as the long term future 7 of our club?

How many times have you seen Orford play this season? Do you know where Manly are in the Aussie league?

You come out with comments like this then call me a child? Are you having a go or trying to put us down because we have seen Orford play more than you?

Oh no Boris! How can you possibly watch more games than Jonh! You need to put down for watching more of Matt Orford than Jonh! How dare you!

You can spend time with your family and watch the NRL. They are not mutually exclusive of one another. Very odd comment.



But Last Son of Wigan has seen him play more than you. Ergo your opinion vis-a-vis the NRL is somewhat less relevant.