Actually, last night, I thought that's what we did have.

It's the ability I'm questioning

On paper from the outside looking in this should not be the issue therefore, thats why I guess its something else.

Certain players did not appear to congratulate Webster when he scored his tries in a manner that I would have expected - especially his last one. Just an observation which is why I question the team spirit. I thought overall the ref and haven let you back in the game which did give you some believe. If Haven had scored again at 22-10 you would have had a ponfull scored against you

or the 6 lost points due to a penalty

So you would have definately scored a try

close enough for the wind not to blow the conversion off course

trys generally come from plays where the attacking team don't conceed a penalty. I can't say whether we would have definately scored a try because we did conceed a penalty.

oh yeah, the wind. forgot about that. good job we didn't get a try then, still wouldn't have been good enough.

This is where I'm having the problem - I have never thought this squad to be as good as other Widnes fans did. I really don't believe we are any better than Leigh, Haven etc. Only Halifax seem a bit above the rest.