Real clever that, qouting half sentances and ignoring others to suit you argument. What a waste of time. I have actually seen Wigan quite a bit this year and have seen these at youth level so have seen more than I need to see. You really need to take the rose tinted spectacles off. I have a few mates that support Wigan and thank god they are not as biased as you. They would be embarrased to read your posts.
Leaving aside the "my club is better than your club" stuff, I thought McManus had some interesting ideas about the end of the season.
I'm not convinced by his idea of a simple 3 club play-off, and I suspect there's more than a little bitterness in that about finishing top but not winning the last two years. But he made a strong case which deserves consideration. I certainly agree with him that having 8 teams from a 14 team league competing in the play-offs is a farce. There is every chance this year that we might have a side competing in the play-offs which has lost more games than it's won. That seems to me to defeat the object. The 5-team play-off was fine IMO.
I also liked his idea about taking the best three sides from each comp to the other place where the internationals would be held. That sort of WCC would interest me, whereas I cannot bring myself to care about a pre-season match played with different squads to the ones finishing the previous season.
Either way, it was thought-provoking, and it was good to see that such an influential figure at one of our top clubs thinks fairly deeply about some of the possible issues. However, from the tone of some of those articles having a pop at the RFL, I'm guessing he feels he doesn't have a lot of influence at Red Hall. Maybe it's time for Richard Lewis to do a bit of reaching out.
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Eurob0y wrote:It still amazes me that clubs like Wigan, with an abundance of local youths playing, still cant really produce any young players of note. I also cant understand why randoms like Hull Kr, dont even have a youth policy. 3 of the 4 last men of steel have all been produced by St Helens RLFC. The 2 leading teams in SL, Saints and Leeds, have both relied on local talent, whilst teams like wigan still persist in bringing over $hite like Tim Smith, Amos Roberts, some fat hooker etc. I wont even begin to go into the foreign $hite at teams like Hull KR, Hull FC, Castleford etc. Its time for these clubs to put their resources into the youth system.
you really didn't think before you posted that did you? if you do some research next time, you might, just might not look so much of a tit
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cherrydevil wrote::lol:
Talk about some of the most biased Wigan observations that you will ever see. I cant even be bothered tearing that apart. Yes they are so good and that is why you are 9th. However seeing Wigan fans think that Ainscough and Tomkins are Gods gift I will talk about these two, as I cant believe that any unbiased person would even dispute that the others arent average.
I must have missed the two tries from kicks that Ainscough conceeded against Wakefield or was that someone else. I must have also missed the kicks and poor defence against Huddersfield (was that 2 tries as well or was it more?) that cost you the game. I am sure there have been plenty more. I must have missed all the tackles that he misses because he cant tackle.
Out of all these tries I would love to see how many are walk in tries. A try is a try but if Roberts was on that wing I am sure he would have scored that many (Seing as the Wigan players only seem to be capable of passing from right to left and hence never attack on the right). This is just like Chris Ashton all over again, the Wigan fans thought he was great then turned on him for less faults than Ainscough has.
Tomkins has no organisational skills, isnt the best passer and is a poor kicker. In any game that I have seen where Wigan havent easily been on top he has gone missing. He has pace and the most impressive part of his game is his defence, hardly a key requirement for a scrum half. Tomkins is the sort of player that looks good in the reserves constantly dummying and going for glory but struggles in the first team as he cannot do this at a higher level. I am sorry but I just see a lot more of the all round skills required at scrum half in Myler and Eastmond.
cadoo wrote:The same Tim Smith that has more try assists to his name than Sean Long?(And Long has played 2 more games than Smith)
Hes got one more assist, and apart from that, an ageing SL player comming to the end of his career, out performs the youthful Tim SMith on statistics by a hell of a lot. But then I dont need the statistics to see who the better player is.
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Eurob0y wrote:Hes got one more assist, and apart from that, an ageing SL player comming to the end of his career, out performs the youthful Tim SMith on statistics by a hell of a lot. But then I dont need the statistics to see who the better player is.
but you still went looking for them
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Eurob0y wrote:The first paragraph, in the McManus article, should be heeded by all clubs bar Leeds.
It still amazes me that clubs like Wigan, with an abundance of local youths playing, still cant really produce any young players of note. I also cant understand why randoms like Hull Kr, dont even have a youth policy.
3 of the 4 last men of steel have all been produced by St Helens RLFC. The 2 leading teams in SL, Saints and Leeds, have both relied on local talent, whilst teams like wigan still persist in bringing over $hite like Tim Smith, Amos Roberts, some fat hooker etc. I wont even begin to go into the foreign $hite at teams like Hull KR, Hull FC, Castleford etc.
Its time for these clubs to put their resources into the youth system.
I'll be amazed when you submit a post without mentioning Wigan.
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Eurob0y wrote:Hes got one more assist, and apart from that, an ageing SL player comming to the end of his career, out performs the youthful Tim SMith on statistics by a hell of a lot. But then I dont need the statistics to see who the better player is.
But I thought you said that the Saints way was producing young quality Saints born players?
Make your mind up.
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