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freddies wig wrote:err,,,, there is no competition from any other pro club in wales, cos there isnt one. Crusaders are the only one!!!!!!! Der
I think he's on about the competition from that "other sport" who will pick off any talent that Celtic produce like a peregrine falcon who's got five kids to feed.
Ashulster wrote:Why do Crusaders not own brewery field anymore? Did they ever own it? Why risk having union have you kicked out of your ground.
the lease was owned by leighton samuels company, dekor. the football club had a ton of dosh from selling their ground to tescos which apparently they had to spend on a groud by a deadline (dont ask me why!) so they bought the lease from dekor. good business all round you would think. it depends how much they hate samuels and league seeming that they would risk their entire business by pissing off their buggest tenant.
Had the RFL given up on Celtic before they got started? For me the decision to move the 'Magic' weekend away from Wales was bizarre. Celtic are struggling for crowds and won't win a game this season, yet the RFL decide Scotland is a more suitable venue for growth and expansion. They should have gone to Cardiff once more and promoted the hell out of it. Any Welshies attending would be prime candidates for a spot on the terrace at Celtic, but because MM is now in Scotland of all places, they won't be turning up to give it a go at all.
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As long as Celtic are still able to operate then their attendances while not good are not a problem at this time
A win at home will help and eventually they will get one
Long term might be a different matter , but thats for another day
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freddies wig wrote:I wish they'd all stop banging on about their junior development in wales. They're the only pro club in a whole bloody country. I'd be worried if they weren't attached to local clubs, how hard can it be with no competition?
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jannerboyuk wrote:well without looking at the criteria (cant be arsed right now) i would imagine the rfl would have the sense to put things into context. first thing: attendances over 3 years which is fair enough but also the extra press coverage, the juniors, samuels dosh, the wales team, just the whole presence of rugby league in a new market. Its unfair that we have these advantages over the smaller heartland teams buts that life and i think for the health of the game overall these things need to be taken into account. Its worth noting (not knowing how this works with other clubs) but the crusaders really do underpin the development of the code in wales. i mentioned the junior teams being put out. it was a pilot scheme last season and now its going full blown this season. These are the teams: * Blackwood Bulldogs * Bridgend Blue Bulls * Cardiff Demons * Dinefwr Sharks * Neath Port Talbot Steelers * Newport Titans * Penallta Storm * Pontyclun Panthers * Rhyl Coasters * Swansea Dragons * Torfaen Tigers * Tydfil Wildcats * Valley Cougars * West Wales Wild Boars So in two years we have gone from no junior teams to 14 (although rhyl are doing there own thing) x2 or 3 (under 13s, under 15s and under 17s i think). All part of a pyramid of development with the crusaders at the apex with a ton of the coaching done by crusaders players and coaches. So thats what around 600 kids playing rugby league who were not beforehand. Seems like decent numbers to me.
The whole of Wales is not part of Celtic Crusaders for junior development though, those are separate clubs, about half of which pre-date the Crusaders. Amateur clubs in Leeds aren't counted as part of the Rhinos club, never mind those in places like York, so why should all Welsh clubs (including Rhyl, which has about as much to do with Bridgend as Wakefield has to do with Northampton) be classed as part of the Crusaders. And before you say it a SL club is NOT in any way shape or form essential for junior development, the midlands and Scotland both have full junior leagues at 3 age groups with not so much as a Championship club between them, let alone a SL club. Junior development should be in place before joining SL, not the other way round (though SL would of course increase it to some degree)
bowes wrote:The whole of Wales is not part of Celtic Crusaders for junior development though, those are separate clubs, about half of which pre-date the Crusaders. Amateur clubs in Leeds aren't counted as part of the Rhinos club, never mind those in places like York, so why should all Welsh clubs (including Rhyl, which has about as much to do with Bridgend as Wakefield has to do with Northampton) be classed as part of the Crusaders. And before you say it a SL club is NOT in any way shape or form essential for junior development, the midlands and Scotland both have full junior leagues at 3 age groups with not so much as a Championship club between them, let alone a SL club. Junior development should be in place before joining SL, not the other way round (though SL would of course increase it to some degree)
isnt it? says who?
the clubs may have pre-dated the crusaders but the junior sections dont and have been created on the back of the four regional train-on squads coached and organised by the crusaders providing a direct route into the under 16s and under 18s as well as generating new players for everyone by holding open trials.
I already noted rhyl was developing seperately (north wales in shock different from south wales shocker) so what? thats one club.
Err alright mate before i say something i never had any intention of saying. Right on dude.
Thats your opinion, as a sport whether we like it not we take what we can get. Get over it.
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