Big Graeme wrote:And obsessed with numbers, were they all Adrian Mole like at the age of 13 and 3/4?
Quote:jannerboyuk Wrote: obsess about headline crowd figures if you like but try and keep a mind of the broader picture.
You can hardly blame folk for focussing on the area that the RFL have decided is the single most important area of assessment for clubs looking to renew their licence. At least 2, arguably 3, of the 10 criteria are directly related to attendance. Its naive to think in those circumstances discussion of attendance won't happen or indeed isn't valid.
It doesn't, of course, mean that the criticism is necessarily valid.
I think the point that the original poster was making was the fact that people were very quick on RLfans to jump at slating Salford's attendances... yet slow on the uptake of Celtics.
Salford haven't had much luck in the opening games to do anything to bump up the attendances.... of the 5 home games so far.... we played 2 of the 3 most poorly represented away followings with the visits of Celtic and Harlequins.... A decent crowd against Wigan.... A Good Friday game against a Warrington team who's following would have been much more should they have been winning (plus the weather was shocking)... and a game against Hull... when the Champions of Europe were playing round the corner at the same time... and Hull City were at home to Liverpool an hour or so earlier which I'm sure took a couple of hundred of their away following.
I'm not too worried about the attendances under the circumstances.
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RAI of Sunshine wrote:I think 8,007 at Warrington, 5,521 at Wakefield (against Wigan no less) and 4,165 at Salford should be a bit more of a concern than the attendance at Celtic.
All 3 of the above clubs have been around over 100 years, compared with the 3 years of Celtic, who started with no kind of history whatsoever.
Not really because the first one is easily high enough to run a SL club off, the second one probably is and the third one is borderline but not low enough that they're at risk of folding.
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mutley cat wrote:the acid test is the quins and Catalan game, could it be under 1000
Celtic Crusaders v Harlequins Rugby League April 19th 2009.
Attendance 3,009. HTH
dally messenger wrote:was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have
eels fan wrote:You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.
Wembley '83 wrote:You can hardly blame folk for focussing on the area that the RFL have decided is the single most important area of assessment for clubs looking to renew their licence. At least 2, arguably 3, of the 10 criteria are directly related to attendance. Its naive to think in those circumstances discussion of attendance won't happen or indeed isn't valid.
It doesn't, of course, mean that the criticism is necessarily valid.
well without looking at the criteria (cant be arsed right now) i would imagine the rfl would have the sense to put things into context. first thing: attendances over 3 years which is fair enough but also the extra press coverage, the juniors, samuels dosh, the wales team, just the whole presence of rugby league in a new market. Its unfair that we have these advantages over the smaller heartland teams buts that life and i think for the health of the game overall these things need to be taken into account.
Its worth noting (not knowing how this works with other clubs) but the crusaders really do underpin the development of the code in wales. i mentioned the junior teams being put out. it was a pilot scheme last season and now its going full blown this season. These are the teams:
* Blackwood Bulldogs
* Bridgend Blue Bulls
* Cardiff Demons
* Dinefwr Sharks
* Neath Port Talbot Steelers
* Newport Titans
* Penallta Storm
* Pontyclun Panthers
* Rhyl Coasters
* Swansea Dragons
* Torfaen Tigers
* Tydfil Wildcats
* Valley Cougars
* West Wales Wild Boars
So in two years we have gone from no junior teams to 14 (although rhyl are doing there own thing) x2 or 3 (under 13s, under 15s and under 17s i think). All part of a pyramid of development with the crusaders at the apex with a ton of the coaching done by crusaders players and coaches. So thats what around 600 kids playing rugby league who were not beforehand. Seems like decent numbers to me.
jannerboyuk wrote:well without looking at the criteria (cant be arsed right now) i would imagine the rfl would have the sense to put things into context. first thing: attendances over 3 years which is fair enough but also the extra press coverage, the juniors, samuels dosh, the wales team, just the whole presence of rugby league in a new market. Its unfair that we have these advantages over the smaller heartland teams buts that life and i think for the health of the game overall these things need to be taken into account. Its worth noting (not knowing how this works with other clubs) but the crusaders really do underpin the development of the code in wales. i mentioned the junior teams being put out. it was a pilot scheme last season and now its going full blown this season. These are the teams: * Blackwood Bulldogs * Bridgend Blue Bulls * Cardiff Demons * Dinefwr Sharks * Neath Port Talbot Steelers * Newport Titans * Penallta Storm * Pontyclun Panthers * Rhyl Coasters * Swansea Dragons * Torfaen Tigers * Tydfil Wildcats * Valley Cougars * West Wales Wild Boars So in two years we have gone from no junior teams to 14 (although rhyl are doing there own thing) x2 or 3 (under 13s, under 15s and under 17s i think). All part of a pyramid of development with the crusaders at the apex with a ton of the coaching done by crusaders players and coaches. So thats what around 600 kids playing rugby league who were not beforehand. Seems like decent numbers to me.
And they are, its just that the RFL has decided that nothing, individually, is more important than attendance. The context the RFL has decided to put it in is that all that development work and new teams is worth, at most, 1 point and even then only when all those teams you list start to produce players for you and attendance is worth at least 2, maybe more.
So if anyone is pi$$ed off at constant talk about attendances then direct your ire at the body who decided that attendance was so important.
To repeat what I said in my original post, the above is not to say that any criticism contained within said 'discussion' is necessarily valid, imho.
To save you the hassle:
Capacity of 12,000 +
Premier competition standard ground
Average crowd of 10,000+
Operating at 40 per cent full
Turn over £4million +
Solvent
Contribution to competition
Junior development
No salary cap breaches
No club within 20 miles
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