Exactly my thoughts except I didn't really think Hull's defence was up to much, it was just we were to poor to do anything about it.



My view was Hull were a team who didn't want to win and we were a team incapable of winning, for heavens sake you actually have to get into your opponents half to stand any chance of winning, we came down twice in the second half. Richard Horne did his best not to score in the first half but our defence was so poor he had to .



I think Hull have terrible problems within there organisation but we were always there to help their six straight defeats come to an end.



Crowd was poor no atmosphere from us and Hull's 14500 deserted them to the value of 14200.



And just to top it off the merry flag wavers had two disagrements as to whether we scored goals or not and the Referee came out in his HullFC kit, all in all a complete farce.....

Well saturday, we had a go, started very brighly got the lead then lost the momentum when Stapo and Cashmere went off letting Hull back into the game.



As for Rachford v Smith who should be standoff i feel smith is the better player at the moment when he was on the field on saturday we looked very good at times with ball in hand.



The only problem (well its not a massive problem) was the last set of the match we win the ball at the scrum, myler goes for glory, get stopped its shipped to Turner who bullets one to Rachford to grubbers the ball dead when there was nothing on.



Id just wished that Wilshire had recieved the ball instead of turner in that position, experience is key in that position and i feel if a more experience member of the team would have took responsability things mite have been different.



Im sure Turner and Rachford will benefit from it and probably mcrae will probably tell them what they should have done.

Im sure in the future in the same situation Rachford would cut inside and kick the ball back to where it came from with the number loaded up and Hulls defence over to one side its Keeps the dream alive till the ball bounces.



I was furious at the time but with no relegation it allows the likes of turner and Rachford to learn from that a be better players .



Great effort by the team thoughout just a shame we couldnt get a result

I just felt we really should have beaten what was (& is) a very, very poor Hull side.



We have come on leaps and bounds since Caravan Park and really thats all down to John Wilsheres attitude with others. We can forgive him for his nightmare on Saturday.

Smith is a steady eddie kind of player, he has a brain, he'll make stuff happen around him putting people though holes, the kind of player we have been lacking since Clinch and Dunnerman, this kind of player is what salford need to achieve sucess.

Im not saying Smith is the finished article and should be put in the same bracket at Clinch and Dunnerman yet but we have all seen signs recently that Smith is getting his game together a lot of teams are targeting him in the defensive line to try and knacker him out so he isnt as effective.



Rachford on the other hand is a special individual who can make somthing out of nothing, With Myler and Rachford playing together consistantly at this level you would have the same kind of play we had with Robinson/Dorn Both dancing at the line but no Pivot linking the attack up and giving us options eather side. That and the fact Rachford is still developing physically and would get targeting in the defensive line because of his physical stature its too much of a risk imo at the moment.



Myler/Rachford worked last season against part time less fit defences so gaps were there to be had, this level you need a bit of grit and invension to open up a defence, in 3 years time and both have experience of superleague and developed physically to withstand week on week superleague action ill have a look again.

I am neither a Smith hater or do I think Ratchford is the saviour and I wasnt going into the ins and outs of who can do this, who can do that, I was merely referring to your qoute of who you feel is the better player at the moment, when they have been playing in differnet positions, Ratchford hasnt even been given a sniff at 6 this season and no body knows what the outcome will be until it happens in SL.