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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:45 pm 
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Disco wrote:Then convince your chums to come in on Glasshoughton then. It is, after all, FAR more advanced than Mr Walker's "Magic Bean" Stadium.


To be fair thats not a true comparison.
If trinity were building a stadium at Jn 40 near Ossett I could understand Cas not wanting to share, just as Trinity won't go as far as Glasshoughton.

Stanley though is equidistant to both Wheldon Rd and Belle Vue, indeed I attended a meeting 9 years ago about a ground share on this very site with all three clubs (Fev) and it was stated then that it's actually closer to WR.

Like Vasty, I do not want to share a ground with anyone but when you remove the emotion from the decision it makes sense to share.

In two years time we may both have new stadiums and that will be fantastic, however, that won't invalidate the logic behind a grounshare.

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chubbs1981 wrote:AC and Inter are no closer to merging they've been sharing for years


They are also not involved in a competiton that uses a licensing system to award a franchise and is hell bent on geographical expansion.

So i dont really see how you can use Milan as a comparison.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:35 pm 
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The Clan wrote:To be fair thats not a true comparison.
If trinity were building a stadium at Jn 40 near Ossett I could understand Cas not wanting to share, just as Trinity won't go as far as Glasshoughton.

Stanley though is equidistant to both Wheldon Rd and Belle Vue, indeed I attended a meeting 9 years ago about a ground share on this very site with all three clubs (Fev) and it was stated then that it's actually closer to WR.

Like Vasty, I do not want to share a ground with anyone but when you remove the emotion from the decision it makes sense to share.

In two years time we may both have new stadiums and that will be fantastic, however, that won't invalidate the logic behind a grounshare.

So you're suggesting it's logical that Castleford should abandon the years of work they've put in to the Glasshoughton project, walk away from the stadium and from Waystone at the 11th hour, just so they can get into bed with Wakefield and their latest pipe dream?

It's about as logical as believing you can build a stadium on green belt land with no plans, no permission and no money. Oh, hang on...


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Well for mine, i'd much rather have our stadium at Stanley and let Cas build theirs at Glasshoughton.






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gutterfax wrote:Inter Milan and AC Milan fans go around stabbing each other in the buttocks but they still manage to share a ground 8)


not for long. i cant remember which, it might even be both. but one side is definitely leaving and building a new stadium. same in Rome, Roma have plans in motion already to get out of the "stab and burn" Olimpico.

saints will finish theres first then salford, cas.






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stew88_RL wrote:not for long. i cant remember which, it might even be both. but one side is definitely leaving and building a new stadium. same in Rome, Roma have plans in motion already to get out of the "stab and burn" Olimpico.

saints will finish theres first then salford, cas.


They're having 2 stadiums built at "opposite sides of the city", so the San Siro wont be in use much longer.

And like a few people have already put - why would Cas leave what is a stadium on the brink of building work, for a dream thought up by Wakey last week?

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I personally think a ground share is a good idea, but the location will always be the sticking point.

J32 is close to where i live & at the end of the day, Castleford is just a small town in Wakefield. :D






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Disco wrote:So you're suggesting it's logical that Castleford should abandon the years of work they've put in to the Glasshoughton project, walk away from the stadium and from Waystone at the 11th hour, just so they can get into bed with Wakefield and their latest pipe dream?

It's about as logical as believing you can build a stadium on green belt land with no plans, no permission and no money. Oh, hang on...


If Richard Wright is telling you the truth and you are where he says you are, with funding in place, designs almost complete and just a short while away from finaly making a start. Then you should continue to chase that dream and hopefully get your own stadium, I hope it happens.
That doesn't detract from the logic or common sense of a shared stadium idea!

The rest of your cynical digs aren't worth commenting on as I don't understand the animosity.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:28 pm 
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vastman wrote:If the Cas board relented and actuallysaw sense then a Wakey Cas shared stadium would IMHO be ready for 2011.

The site is exactly in the middle and straight off the M62. I don't want to share but unlike the brain dead Richard Wright I realise it would be near lunacy not too.

It doesn't just halve the cost of building the thing it halves the cost of running it and increases it to a 30 match a season ground.

How mindless can the CAs BOD be not to want that.

It really is time for Cas to be realistic. Yes Glasshoughton would be nearer Cas and would be deemed their ground but other than that what are the advantages. It's a lot extra to pay for pride and vanity.

If Cas shared at Stanley it would not be a victory for Wakey who would be no more the owners than Cas. Cas abandoning a Stadium that is already slightly ahead of Stanley would not be defeat it would be an intelligent bussiness move. It would be a victory for common sense and the WMDC public.

Over to you Wrighty.


TBH at the moment i feel both teams dreams of a new stadium are pipedreams unless the clubs share, especially when both areas are run by the same council, and both clubs want council assistance.

Dont see how it would be a problem. If anything it would intensify the rivalry like the milan derby imo?

Wakey want J30 M62, Cas J32 M62. Two stadiums two junctions away would be lunacy when the clubs could easily share.

Why not go for a joint venture at J31. Normanton. Pleanty of land to develop on. Ask both clubs and they will claim normanton as there area, pretty much equidistant between the two clubs and so neither club will claim the ground as 'Their' ground.

The ground also suddenly becomes achievable rather than scratching round for pennies. Surely both clubs would get 4-5 mil between them for selling off the land (particulary cas with the space around theres). Add that to investment from a stadium trust fund and the council and you could probably get a 15-17k stadium rather than the seperate 11-12k stadiums currently being looked at

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Gaslight wrote:They're having 2 stadiums built at "opposite sides of the city", so the San Siro wont be in use much longer.

And like a few people have already put - why would Cas leave what is a stadium on the brink of building work, for a dream thought up by Wakey last week?


Personally if your honest Cas's ground is as much a dream as wakeys as things stand.

Joint ground..15/16k capacity..two stands apiece named after each club ...two stands amber and black on the castleford side of the ground...two stands red and blue on the side of the ground facing wakefield.....would really make the griund unique IMO!!!

In affect you could have a castleford side and a wakey side to build up the intensity of the derby games, and for home games for each team...open 'their' respective 2 home stands, with the other teams stand housing away fans, and one stand closed. would work perfectly for both teams IMO, with the capacity of the ground being approximately 11/12k for normal home games with one end shut...and 15/16k for the derbys.

Both clubs have an end terrace, keep with history 'The Belle View Terrace' and the 'Wheldon End' etc and one after a notable player....ie. The John Joyner Stand facing the Don Fox Stand etc.

This could also promote extra interest in both clubs IMO and would be a new ground, but a new ground with real character and history almost given to it overnight....something the modern grounds lack completely IMO.

Realistically, I think this is the only way either will get a ground and makes sence on so many levels. I also honestly think this is the only way both clubs can possibly remain in superleague. Otherwise I see both denied franchises and playing out their days in NL1, or Joining to become 'Calder' a thought that neither fan would like.

A joint venture and ground is the only sensible option IMO.

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