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Robbo4 wrote:Only if the opposition make no errors either. I agree its not a gameplan that wins anything, particularly over a long season, but it would have won us at least another 3 games this season with a bit more effort/enthusiasm from the players IMO. The biggest problem is that you very rarely win a game with those tactics if dont play well, whereas a better gameplan can win games when the team aren't performing.


That's the main thing I was trying to get at.

What I was meaning with the errors is that our tactics necessitate we make less errors than the opposition a lot of the time. By this I mean that the bulk of our scoring is designed around forcing opponent error, whereas they are capable of both benefitting from our errors and opening us up through sheer skill and quality rugby. As soon as we start gifting them as many points as they do us, we'll always get outscored in terms of tries that are genuinely created.

I actually wonder if this increased pressure on individuals may have a bearing on our poor basic errors becoming too common, it could be playing on the minds of the players.

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carl_spackler wrote:That's the main thing I was trying to get at.

What I was meaning with the errors is that our tactics necessitate we make less errors than the opposition a lot of the time. By this I mean that the bulk of our scoring is designed around forcing opponent error, whereas they are capable of both benefitting from our errors and opening us up through sheer skill and quality rugby. As soon as we start gifting them as many points as they do us, we'll always get outscored in terms of tries that are genuinely created.

I actually wonder if this increased pressure on individuals may have a bearing on our poor basic errors becoming too common, it could be playing on the minds of the players.


Looking at it another way I wonder if our tactics are based around the ability (or lack of) of our back line particularly with so many 1st choicers missing.

That said I don't buy into the 5 drives and a kick theory being our only tactic. In the last few games the vast majority of our errors have been made by outside backs whilst attempting to pass the ball out wide along the line.






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The reason Agar gets the lions share of the blame is because he is the coach the buck stops with him.
He doesn;t help his case when he admits he doesn't know what to do to change/stop what is happening.






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carl_spackler wrote:That's the main thing I was trying to get at.

What I was meaning with the errors is that our tactics necessitate we make less errors than the opposition a lot of the time. By this I mean that the bulk of our scoring is designed around forcing opponent error, whereas they are capable of both benefitting from our errors and opening us up through sheer skill and quality rugby. As soon as we start gifting them as many points as they do us, we'll always get outscored in terms of tries that are genuinely created.

I actually wonder if this increased pressure on individuals may have a bearing on our poor basic errors becoming too common, it could be playing on the minds of the players.


I tend to agree. In the games we have lost this season (apart from probably Quins) we have made an error close to our own line early in the game and conceeded a try. You could visibly see the players heads drop.






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Robbo4 wrote:Knowing a gameplan and stopping it are 2 different things. I agree its not pretty and its not what I would choose but it can be effective if everyone does their job properly which they clearly haven't for the last half a dozen games or so.


5 drives and a kick is predictable and wont win any games other than catching some teams cold early in the season. Someone was being interviewed on the footie show in oz the other week and they were asked what it was like to play against team x. They replied, its fairly easy, theyve only got one pivot.

We play with a prop at 13 and 1 pivotal halfback. (the one getting the stick too)

We then play 5 drives and a kick. Its predictable and easy to stop. Salford in the cup just condensed their defensive lines as they knew we wouldnt go wide.

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PAUL M wrote:It suits people to blame the coaches but the players have as much to answer for in my eyes.


If we got a new coach that encourages attacking style of rugby it would help to show some people exactly what we are missing out on by having Agar.

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Big Dave T wrote:If we got a new coach that encourages attacking style of rugby it would help to show some people exactly what we are missing out on by having Agar.


Shhh, he's only young, rah de rah de rah.


Agar is poop, and some of u have been saying it from the start.

ATEOTD HE recruited Thorman (unless of course the gutless wonder let Sharp walk ll over him)HE recruited Reardon, enough said in my opinion.

The man writes his team selections on the back of an envelope FFS!

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Hutchie wrote:Or is recruiting being done over his head ?


It seems pretty muh everything is above Agar's head!

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I'm sure this question is on everyone's lips, so I'm just gonna come right out and ask it:

Big Dave T - are you Chris Thorman's mam?






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