'When the ship comes in'

Phil McCracken

I wonder how our Reserves compare to a 1983 'A' Team?
I doubt we were table toppers.

Bilko?

Not of we continue to make "progress" as we have done since 2006 we won't.



Not sure how you conclude a player of Riddell's age has a great future here but regardless of that the problem is we are not making any progress at all.

What the orignal post alludes to in the past of gradual or even revolutionary progress has is not happening at the moment. The best two examples I can think of are our current coach and scrum half positions.

Under the old regime out went McInnes and Clarke who won us a challenge cup and in came Lowe.

Also under the old regime out went Mick Ford and in came Andy Gregory.

Now if it is suggested Noble isn't good enough or TL isn't a good enough 7 to take us forward, this is considered sacrilege by some. However look at what the club did back then! It got rid of successful coaches and a good young scrum half because they were not good enough to take us to the next step.

It remains to be seen if IL is as ruthless as that. Depending where TL ends up playing (9 or 7) he has not gone out looking for the next level up of scrum half. Will he keep Noble? We shall see but I think these two examples show the parallels between then and now are not so clear cut at all.

Dave

We will make some wrong ones though and it's the acceptnace that mistakes will e made and the ability to get over these rather than Ponder on them so intensely and look for someone to Hang for those mistakes that can drag us Back!

Daily Mail? Now that really is going too far.

I am sure there are different types of youngsters in this world but I wasn't the one generalising.

As to me disagreeing with your post what did you post it for? Nothing but pats on the back?

I have in my previous post given a couple of examples of why I think your parallels are a bit fanciful. The Clarke/McInnes and Mick Ford examples.

I can also point to no progress since 2006 which seems to be considered some sort of watershed but we have in fact been going down hill slowly since about 1998. 11 years.

I like watching the team win. I enjoyed the win v Celtic. My son did too! I expect IL did as well but hopefully he is a realist and will act accordingly.

One way your post may have a ring of truth in it for me is if IL replaces Noble who did his job of saving us from relegation with a coach who can take us to the next level. I assume you don't agree with that idea but it is exactly the sort of parallel I want to see in the current regime with the old.

Dave

Who said they were "Clear Cut"? I said they were my perspective on the situation and I stand by them!

Did we turn a shambles of a club round into the best team in England in 1/2/3 season or did it take 7/8 seasons?

Did we go from Relegation material etc into a better club year on year without making any backward steps or mistakes in 1/2/3 seasons or more like 6/7/8 as I suggested?????

Who's to say IL won't make the same radical decision 2/3/4 years down the line when as a club we have a more stable Base/Platofrm to work from than the one he Inheritted/Purchased 18 months ago!

Next Question for you DaveO

You have all the Answers! And I think Iv'e asked you this before and you chose not to answer!
Given that IL is making so many bad mistakes & the club is in such a shambles comapred to 3 years ago!

"WHAT WOULD YOU DO"?

Jukesays for chairman!

IL needed to shake the club up top to bottom and it will be a long gradual process back to the top but when we get there it will be one hell of a party

Chrissy Waddle

It's not "B0ll0x" at all. It's a fact we replaced successful coaches who won the cup one year with Lowe the next. And that we replaced a cup winning scrum half who did not look out of place opposite Peter Sterling in the 1985 cup final.

What went on before has got nothing to do with those decisions being made. Better people were available so the club went for them. No pussyfooting around. No misguided loyalty to good players and coaches but right in there for the ones to take us to the next step.

You can argue Lowe and Gregory would not have come in 1980 if you like but you miss the point. The point is the club was not afraid to replace good people with better people. It was the kind of ambitious move that typified the 1st Mo regime.

Sticking with Noble is the opposite of that. Sticking with him is not IMO part of some master rebuilding plan but the exact opposite.

So as to what I would do well the obvious starting point is sack Noble and move for someone like Kearney.

Dave