The mating call of the loser or what.

It's so predictable, the fans of clubs who think they have a god given right to dominate always use this pathetic excuse whenever there big money doesn't but success.

FFS it's how the franchise works and it's what people allegedly wanted and even playing field a chance for teams to build. Yet when you get it you don't like it.

Why don't you just face the truth for once. Wakey and Hudds have spent well and built good teams whilst Hull and Bradford haven't.

There is one very simple explanatotion for your plight, you are a poor team regardless of the supertar players you reckon you have. Get over your self and drop the snobbery.

Boo Hoo, didums poor old Hull are losing and Wellsy can't take it - so SL is crap and the teams above are only there because Hull and Bradford aren't performing and they should be because on paper (the worlds best playing surface) they should be, must be, this simply can't be boo hoo boo hoo. This really is the worst attitude any fan can have and ruins our game

I like to measure how good a team is, by how good they are when they play to their maximum capability. If Leeds or Saints play anyone else bar the other and play to their maximum, they are unbeatable. If any other team plays to their maximum, Leeds and Saints are still able to beat them by having an off day. This is the gulf in class. This is not to say that Leeds/Saints will always win when having an off day, they wont, so in theory, they are beatable as the losses section of the league shows.

Its upto the other teams to follow their lead. I think a major contribution to both teams success is relatively small player turnover compared to other teams especially in the key roles and a team built on having a great team spirit. I remember Wayne Bennett saying in an interview once that he thinks a major contribution to success is team spirit. If all your players are good friends off the pitch, it helps massively on the pitch as they will die for each other.

Struth I think for once I agree with Vastman
It was always going to be thus. The 'big' clubs who now find the teams they used to crush are becoming competitive and their fans are not happy bunnies. No easy games anymore for them and their god given right to win is no longer there. Other clubs fans are happy to see their team 'in the mix' now with everyone able to spend the full SC but Im afraid the fans of the 'big' clubs are not going to like it folks unless they can have their 'rightfull place' at the top of the league

I don't think anyone has a God given right to win at all. What I can see is some teams with some brilliant players playing utter dross. I don't have a problem with losing as long as there is a decent game on. Bradford vs Warrington was one of the poorest spectacles I have ever seen. Both teams, with some proven class players, played absolutely shocking standards of rugby.
I don't think it's because the salary cap has evened out where the players go that the lower teams have become more competitive. I think that's insulting to some of the players that have come through the academies over the years. I think our talent pool has increased which is why there is more competition. But I think the standard of rugby has gone down because of a shocking standard of coaching at the moment. Unforced error rates being high and 5-drives and a kick tactics are not good spectacles and not because players are being evened out.


I think Hull have built a decent side to be fair. And Bradford's is definitely not as bad as the table suggests.
And I have recognised many times that teams have built well. Hudds especially. But it's the coaches job to build the team as well, which goes with my point.


Possibly the most stupid reply I have ever seen. How is being a poor team an explanation? The explanation would be WHY we are a poor team. Why do you think Hull's team are poor at the moment? Why do you think Wire are poor? Why are Bulls poor?


That's not what I'm saying at all. You're either being purposely ignorant so you can have a pop, or you just can't understand what I'm saying.

If Hull finish bottom but play with some flair and passion and skill then what more can I ask for? As long as the product on the pitch is entertaining then I have no problem with losing. But we have been poor as a team, like Wire and Bulls and Catalans and Wigan. There are proven players in these teams. Being a good coach means more than recruiting the best players. I don't want to see a close league because the standards level down. I want to see them level up. Only Leeds and Saints seem to be maintaining a decent standard at the moment.

In fairness to Catalans I think they are starting to look like the team of last year now. Walters had a big job on his hands to follow Mick Potter but he's starting to settle in now.

People wanted an even competition. Well you got one. Trouble is, it's evened downwards. Sometimes you should be careful what you wish for.

At the end of the day you have to look at three main factors.

1. The quality of English players is the worst it has ever been. The very basics of the game are completely dead in England, they are not taught to players at any stage. So English players come through the ranks totally under skilled.

2. The quality of coaching at every level of the game in the UK is criminal.

3. Imports go over to England for money and nothing else. They don't really care how they perform.



At the end of the day no one in England has any drive to fix any of these problems. If you lot don't care, neither do I.

What a crock of crap, typical of the British mentality. When someone does well for themselves and disturbs the status quo let's knock em down by suggesting things ain't what they used to be.

So we can only assume that if Saints or Leeds and the percieved other big club Wigan, Bradford. Hull or Warrington don't win SL and say Cas do. It will only be bcause those teams have gone down hill not that others have simply got better and won on merit - genuinly pathetic attitude.

Go off and have a hug with that idiot LF, you give him everything he needs.

Good grief

For once a post of League Freak I can find nothing to argue about.


Worrying times

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you were the same a couple of seasons ago