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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:26 pm 
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DaveO wrote:It doesn't work like that. If Goulding was on £20K and went on a seasons long loan to Salford and they agreed to pay all his contract then the entire £20K (which is what is know as his "salary cap value") goes off Wigan's cap and all of it ends up on Salford's.

It may sound daft but there is a reason for this and it is to prevent short term loans of high quality players being used to improve a teams squad.

What would prevent Saints from loaning KFC to Wigan short term, say for two months and us paying him £20K a month? That would be only £40K on our cap so to prevent deals like this the players full "salary cap value" counts at a club he moves to part way through the season.

The club doing the loaning out don't get around anything either.

Lets say we got £64,000 off out cap now by loaning Pryce and Goulding out. In theory that is £8K a month of a wage for a new player as there are about 8 months left in the salary cap year. Unfortunately it doesn't work like that either.

If we agreed to pay a player £8K a month his "salary cap value" is calculated as 12 x £8K which is £96K not 8 x £12K (£64K).

So by loaning out players we only gain their "salary cap value" divided by 12 to spend. Which would mean if we got Pryce and Gouldings wages off the books and the total salary cap value of their wages was £64K then we get to pay a player £64K divided by 12 which is about £5300 a month.

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Thanks for clearing that up it does make sense to avoid the Adrian Morley loophole.

In terms of monetary value by your method you'd only be entitled to spend any money left from any "loaned" salaries, which was what i was saying if not very clear.

To be a real challenger IMO you need a F/B (Richards more effective off the wing), S/H (TL better at 9) a good Prop (Fielden just not right) & get a bit more out of Feka, i think you have a very talented squad otherwise just that Noble has lost his way.






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Saint Simon wrote:At the point someone is signing for you their agent would need shooting for agreeing to a contract like that


its my alternative to win bonuses.
nobody these days would sign a contract dependant upon the TEAM winning, but if your money was dependant upon YOURSELF performing well, you might be more inclined to sign.
and if you wernt prepared to sign on those terms it seems to prove they just want to sign for an easy ride/pension plan.






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wigan pie man wrote:its my alternative to win bonuses.
nobody these days would sign a contract dependant upon the TEAM winning, but if your money was dependant upon YOURSELF performing well, you might be more inclined to sign.
and if you wernt prepared to sign on those terms it seems to prove they just want to sign for an easy ride/pension plan.


Agreed but performance is subjective and difficult to set standards (unless you use opta stats or similar as the metrics). A win bonus is much more straightforward and accusations of favouritsm/victimisation cannot be borne as it's in no way subjective.






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Lenagan seems to play his card close to his chest the vast majority of the time and only tells the press and even the fans what he wants them to hear.

He said we only had 20 left on the cap yet we have Martin Gleeson now turning out for us with only Goulding and Mossop going out on months loans.

Are the 2 lads loaned out paying for Gleeson or for somebody else to come in? with Lenagan i truely don't have the foggiest.

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NickyKiss wrote:Lenagan seems to play his card close to his chest the vast majority of the time and only tells the press and even the fans what he wants them to hear.

He said we only had 20 left on the cap yet we have Martin Gleeson now turning out for us with only Goulding and Mossop going out on months loans.

Are the 2 lads loaned out paying for Gleeson or for somebody else to come in? with Lenagan i truely don't have the foggiest.


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NickyKiss wrote:Lenagan seems to play his card close to his chest the vast majority of the time and only tells the press and even the fans what he wants them to hear.

He said we only had 20 left on the cap yet we have Martin Gleeson now turning out for us with only Goulding and Mossop going out on months loans.

Are the 2 lads loaned out paying for Gleeson or for somebody else to come in? with Lenagan i truely don't have the foggiest.


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