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you are spot on bilks especially about the most ironic songs to be sung by fans - settling for mediocrity!!!!
Doogal McQuire. wrote:The perception with everyone from outside the Rugby League Community is that Wigan are still the biggest name in British rugby league.
It is a hard pill to swallow but unbelievably true.
I'm fortunate in that I'm part of the age-group who saw Billy Boston's Wigan as a child, and then saw the truly great Wigan side as an adult.
At the height of both those eras it was inconceivable that we would ever slip back into mediocrity, but on both occasions we did.
In the mid-80s, it was the dynamic chairmanship of a young, go-ahead Maurice Lindsay (and a willingness to take big-spending gambles) that dragged us out of the doldrums. Ian Lenagan seems to be more prudent, and let's face it - he has no choice, because the Salary Cap will now prevent the plethora of extravagant signings that so many fans want to see. But the first really positive move that Lindsay made - which many now forget - was to appoint Alex Murphy as head-coach. Okay, it ended in tears, and Murph is now rightly regarded as a dinosaur, but at the time he injected the club with the attitude that being second-best was not good enough. Prior to Murph we had a succession of coaches who were either content to be in charge of a mid-table team - like Kel Coslett, or didn't have the expertise to coach their way out of it - like George Fairbairn and Maurice Bamford. Murphy was the first one in ages who, by sheer rage alone, got the message through to his players that losing even a few matches was simply not good enough. Subsequently, he won us our first trophy in a decade, got us back to Wembley for the first time in nearly two decades, and basically restored the 'we yearn to win' culture that earmarked the Boston / Ashton era.
Players like Shaun Edwards and Ellery Hanley expanded on this. Suddenly, losing was no longer an option. That's something we need to do today - and surely it's well within Ian Lenagan's power. Because it all stems from the head-coach, whose salary is NOT counted under the cap.
I hate to repeat myself, but it's time for a change at the top - and, whoever the new guy is, he has to be a winner (not just because he inherited a good side that already knew how to win - like Noble seems to have done at Bradford, or Millward did at Saints), but because he knows himself how to do it, and will not accept anything less (either from his playing staff or from his coaching staff).
It won't be simple. There's never a quick fix when a club's hopes are as badly tarnished as ours now are, but it won't be impossible. We've done it before, and we can do it again - if brave decisions and the correct appointments are made.
Bilko wrote:Ok well late but I only got back yesterday.
Not really a report more a load of thoughts on the current state of the club and what the general feeling seemed to be amongst fans over in France.
I'm fortunate in that I'm part of the age-group who saw Billy Boston's Wigan as a child, and then saw the truly great Wigan side as an adult.
At the height of both those eras it was inconceivable that we would ever slip back into mediocrity, but on both occasions we did.
In the mid-80s, it was the dynamic chairmanship of a young, go-ahead Maurice Lindsay (and a willingness to take big-spending gambles) that dragged us out of the doldrums. Ian Lenagan seems to be more prudent, and let's face it - he has no choice, because the Salary Cap will now prevent the plethora of extravagant signings that so many fans want to see. But the first really positive move that Lindsay made - which many now forget - was to appoint Alex Murphy as head-coach. Okay, it ended in tears, and Murph is now rightly regarded as a dinosaur, but at the time he injected the club with the attitude that being second-best was not good enough. Prior to Murph we had a succession of coaches who were either content to be in charge of a mid-table team - like Kel Coslett, or didn't have the expertise to coach their way out of it - like George Fairbairn and Maurice Bamford. Murphy was the first one in ages who, by sheer rage alone, got the message through to his players that losing even a few matches was simply not good enough. Subsequently, he won us our first trophy in a decade, got us back to Wembley for the first time in nearly two decades, and basically restored the 'we yearn to win' culture that earmarked the Boston / Ashton era.
Players like Shaun Edwards and Ellery Hanley expanded on this. Suddenly, losing was no longer an option. That's something we need to do today - and surely it's well within Ian Lenagan's power. Because it all stems from the head-coach, whose salary is NOT counted under the cap.
I hate to repeat myself, but it's time for a change at the top - and, whoever the new guy is, he has to be a winner (not just because he inherited a good side that already knew how to win - like Noble seems to have done at Bradford, or Millward did at Saints), but because he knows himself how to do it, and will not accept anything less (either from his playing staff or from his coaching staff).
It won't be simple. There's never a quick fix when a club's hopes are as badly tarnished as ours now are, but it won't be impossible. We've done it before, and we can do it again - if brave decisions and the correct appointments are made.
Bilko, dont get too downhearted, as ever an excellent write up.
To highlight one point you mentioned that gave me a laugh, you are saying that the euphoric feeling goes when 'life' kicks in and you start having work and family commitments... welcome to my world pal I been there for donkeys years......
Sadfish wrote : Peapoi is right.
Geoggy wrote : particularly when it comes to singing at home games. the singing at home games only really gets going in wigan games.
Saddened wrote : 1 - Wellens 3/10 Like public transport. Late, slow and stunk.
pie eater and proud of it wrote:Bilko, dont get too downhearted, as ever an excellent write up.
To highlight one point you mentioned that gave me a laugh, you are saying that the euphoric feeling goes when 'life' kicks in and you start having work and family commitments... welcome to my world pal I been there for donkeys years......
Oh I'm not talking about myself. At the moment I'm not doing either lol.
This is a great post M Bilko and I agree with Cruncher, I was lucky to see the late 80's onwards and it was a privilege to watch those teams. Even though they were great players they were never allowed to get out of step.
I remember John Monie taking off Steve Hampson after about 10 minutes because he thought he was messing around. This attitude kept their minds on the job but they had pride in their performance the present lot do not convince me that they care that much.
If the players showed as much passion as your posts we would be happy but frankly most of them are a disgrace to the shirt, club and fans. We have watched drivel for the last 4/5 seasons or more but had some excitment on the way, what we are seeing now is exactly as Bilko says in my opinion total rubbish by a team I do not want to call Wigan. This is a sorry state of affairs.
I agree with Cruncher we need a new coach because "not just to have a change" that would be futile but to get in somebody who WILL make the team play to a pattern and more than anything else PUT IN THE EFFORT. I think in any walk of life it is down to effort more than ability to achieve. If you have the 2 together as with the old Wigan team you become unstoppable. We all know that the effort is not there each and every week perhaps at best 1 in 4, I think 1in 6/7 and I am sick to death of they have trained well, so what.
The players must realise that to "Play for Wigan" is one of the biggest honours that a RL player can have, they I believe do not care enough and as such should be cleared out ASAP.
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