cheers for that cruncher

Would save a fortune

could be true if they still use the old system.

young amateurs who signed on used to get paid in stages.
1. signing on fee
2. fee after x number of games (usually 10)
3, fee for county honours
4. fee for international honours.
all usually on a 25% a time basis.
so they probably have some kind of structure in place today.

i know a player who signed on, played 9 games then got dropped and sold.
he went on to get county honours at his next club

i prefere my idea of fining individual players who underperform.

and if they dont like it they can leave.

and at the present time with how we are playing we will probably struggle to raise a side by august is they spit the dummys out.

Gotta believe we are looking to add a player, if McIllorum/Smith goes then its a half.

Would still like it to be a prop though, we are severely lacking in biff.

IL had a meeting arranged for tomorrow with a NL1 chairman to discuss possible loan deals - I wouldn't be surprised to hear of more players being loaned out next week.

At the point someone is signing for you their agent would need shooting for agreeing to a contract like that

Its the case for all your academy prospects.

Point 4 cocked Saints up when Graham and Gardener made debuts midseason against that Kiwi team so quite feasible a similar situation is in place.

Don't undertsand that if you do let Smith / McIllorum go that its definitely a Halfback or if its Pryce that its a 3/4...

You have Richards, Roberts, Gleeson, Carmont, Phelps, Pryce, Ainscough, Bailey, Thornley that play in the backs

Leuluai, Tomkins, Smith, Phelps for the halfs - and Smith isn't getting a look in anyway - if injuries are a worry then am sure you'd sign in a recall clause.

With a prop a desperate requirement, any cap space free'd up loaning fringe players or juniors should be aimed at getting one in if one is available

It doesn't work like that. If Goulding was on £20K and went on a seasons long loan to Salford and they agreed to pay all his contract then the entire £20K (which is what is know as his "salary cap value") goes off Wigan's cap and all of it ends up on Salford's.

It may sound daft but there is a reason for this and it is to prevent short term loans of high quality players being used to improve a teams squad.

What would prevent Saints from loaning KFC to Wigan short term, say for two months and us paying him £20K a month? That would be only £40K on our cap so to prevent deals like this the players full "salary cap value" counts at a club he moves to part way through the season.

The club doing the loaning out don't get around anything either.

Lets say we got £64,000 off out cap now by loaning Pryce and Goulding out. In theory that is £8K a month of a wage for a new player as there are about 8 months left in the salary cap year. Unfortunately it doesn't work like that either.

If we agreed to pay a player £8K a month his "salary cap value" is calculated as 12 x £8K which is £96K not 8 x £12K (£64K).

So by loaning out players we only gain their "salary cap value" divided by 12 to spend. Which would mean if we got Pryce and Gouldings wages off the books and the total salary cap value of their wages was £64K then we get to pay a player £64K divided by 12 which is about £5300 a month.

Dave