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There are too many jobs for the boys at Wigan. We need a complete review of the whole coaching structure starting at the top - even though one has just been completed. We need to invest in the best as it's one area not affected by the salary cap. There are some interesting articles around about the lengths Manly go to in terms of player preparation and fitness - we need to be matching or exceeding that.
NickyKiss wrote:I remember the rumours around Wire when Forshaw was there about how poor their fitness was and how bad a job he was doing there. When you look at the likes of Feka, Riddell, Pryce etc you can't help but feel the jobs not being done quite right here either.
Not as much in Riddells case because he's not been here long and has always been portly but with the other 2 mentioned Forshaw has had enough time to kick their ar*es into gear.
Perilini got the job done at Saints with Paul Anderson for example.
Perilini is the best fitness coach IMO ESL has to offer.
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FearTheVee wrote:A large part of "fitness" is having the attitude to push through barriers and take that extra hit up, get back onside again, chase that kick, close that gap when you feel you have nothing left to give.
This is where I think Wigan fall down, rather than pure physical fitness.
I agree to a large extent, but to go that extra yard you have to be in peak physical shape - something that it's obvious Wigan aren't.
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Wigan/Leeds Andy wrote:There are too many jobs for the boys at Wigan. We need a complete review of the whole coaching structure starting at the top - even though one has just been completed. We need to invest in the best as it's one area not affected by the salary cap. There are some interesting articles around about the lengths Manly go to in terms of player preparation and fitness - we need to be matching or exceeding that.
The jobs for the boys mentality is a cancer in our great game and something that will always ensure the product does not develop as it potentially should.
Good coaches surround themselves with the best people, people who like to have smoke blown up there booty to boost there ego recruit there mates......and always pay the price in the end.
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100% Warrior wrote:Perilini is the best fitness coach IMO ESL has to offer.
He's a Saints lad through and through, I'm not too sure about ex Saints coaches... Could do with grabbing Jennings from Penrith imho...
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FearTheVee wrote:A large part of "fitness" is having the attitude to push through barriers and take that extra hit up, get back onside again, chase that kick, close that gap when you feel you have nothing left to give.
This is where I think Wigan fall down, rather than pure physical fitness.
The problem is you have to create that mentality in training and that is the responsibility of a coach, to push them and get the best out of them in that environment. It is unrealistic to expect a team to impliment it on the field without doing it in training.
I was lucky enough to be invited to the Brisbane Bronco's sessions in the build up to the WCC game vs Saints, I had access to all the coaches after the sessions to discuss there methods including Wayne Bennet, and the one thing I came away from that environment with was the level of knowledge in every area that supported that team. Any club that recruits a level of excellence in the backroom will always grow as a club, sadly at a lot of club not just Wigan we are too busy looking out for the interests of there friends rather than ultimatley looking long term interests of themselves. It takes a hell of a coach to support and lead a failing team sadly i think firstly a good coach should not put themselves in that position and secondly we do not have a hell of a coach in Noble anyway.
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Memony wrote:He's a Saints lad through and through, I'm not too sure about ex Saints coaches... Could do with grabbing Jennings from Penrith imho...
He has also taken a massivley well paid job in Dubbai and will not be back and fair play to him. Jennings would be an excellent addition, but i think not with Noble as Coach, they are too close.
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jonh wrote:The problem is you have to create that mentality in training and that is the responsibility of a coach, to push them and get the best out of them in that environment. It is unrealistic to expect a team to impliment it on the field without doing it in training.
I was lucky enough to be invited to the Brisbane Bronco's sessions in the build up to the WCC game vs Saints, I had access to all the coaches after the sessions to discuss there methods including Wayne Bennet, and the one thing I came away from that environment with was the level of knowledge in every area that supported that team. Any club that recruits a level of excellence in the backroom will always grow as a club, sadly at a lot of club not just Wigan we are too busy looking out for the interests of there friends rather than ultimatley looking long term interests of themselves. It takes a hell of a coach to support and lead a failing team sadly i think firstly a good coach should not put themselves in that position and secondly we do not have a hell of a coach in Noble anyway.
Wigan/Leeds Andy wrote:There are too many jobs for the boys at Wigan. We need a complete review of the whole coaching structure starting at the top - even though one has just been completed. We need to invest in the best as it's one area not affected by the salary cap. There are some interesting articles around about the lengths Manly go to in terms of player preparation and fitness - we need to be matching or exceeding that.
Exactly what i said mate spot on.
Interesting to note as well that it was once the Wigan club who used to do this and set the highest standards possible at the club. Coaches like Lowe and Monie brought the most advanced practices at that time with them to Wigan and Is it any coincidence what those coaches led us to.
As you said in the era of the SC you need to invest as much as possible in the off field side of things to get the upper hand.
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