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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:27 am

Phuzzy

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DaveO wrote:All the players involved were at fault for that try and I agree it is not a stick to beat up Lockers with.

As I said he does it (or try's it) every week. Equally lesser players can score that way against us. We need to work out how to defend against it.

Dave

Might not make for an interesting thread but...I agree! :lol:

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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:28 am

Last Son of Wigan

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Sooner have Bailey and Tomkins over Hansen, bot can tackle up well and offer far more in attack.

Plus Tomkins would be a 13 with Lockers as 12. far better balance.

Leave Hansen out, see if he's missed.

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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:32 am

gpartin

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Last Son of Wigan wrote:Sooner have Bailey and Tomkins over Hansen, bot can tackle up well and offer far more in attack.

Plus Tomkins would be a 13 with Lockers as 12. far better balance.

Leave Hansen out, see if he's missed.

Hansen, Hock and Lockers at second row and Tomkins at 13 for me. Hansen has a very important role in defence and though being unspectacular in attack he tends not to make too many silly errors.

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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:36 am

DaveO

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Leave out last seasons SL Top Tackler and see if he is missed?

With Lockers at 12 and Tomkins at 13 I think Hansen is the ideal sub for Hock when it is time to defend.

I like Bailey as a player as well. I think he is underrated by many but if balance is what we want I think Hansen is the ideal sub for Hock given both J T and S O can do 80 mins.

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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:37 am

Last Son of Wigan

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gpartin wrote:Hansen, Hock and Lockers at second row and Tomkins at 13 for me. Hansen has a very important role in defence and though being unspectacular in attack he tends not to make too many silly errors.

I simply said leave him out of the squad for the game and see if he's missed in any department.

I'm better no. His tackling helps hide his lack of skills in other departments.

Do you ever see him linking up with the centres then wingers? ever making a break? ever looking like trouble for the def?

Not making too many silly mistakes doesn't justify his place it the team. I'm trying to build a GF winning team.

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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:48 am

gpartin

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Last Son of Wigan wrote:[/b]

I simply said leave him out of the squad for the game and see if he's missed in any department.

I'm better no. His tackling helps hide his lack of skills in other departments.

Do you ever see him linking up with the centres then wingers? ever making a break? ever looking like trouble for the def?

Not making too many silly mistakes doesn't justify his place it the team. I'm trying to build a GF winning team.

I know what you mean but too many silly mistakes is imo one of the main reasons we will never be a GF winning team. As DaveO says he is one of our hardest working players in defence and I think he will be missed if we drop him. I don't particularly think Bailey stands out in attack to be fair and if you look at clean breaks for last season as an example (since Bails has played at centre most of this year) Bailey didn't make any.

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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:11 am

XBrettKennyX

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I've had a look at the replay now.

Lockers WAS at fault imo. He was the Primary marker and should have driven KC back instead of trying to tie him up.

Would KC have scored that try vs the Aussies? Not a chance. He has proven this inability on many occasions.

That said, as per my original post, I thought Lockers had one of his best games for us.

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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:15 am

Elle Coco

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XBrettKennyX wrote:I've had a look at the replay now.

Lockers WAS at fault imo. He was the Primary marker and should have driven KC back instead of trying to tie him up.

Would KC have scored that try vs the Aussies? Not a chance. He has proven this inability on many occasions.

That said, as per my original post, I thought Lockers had one of his best games for us.

Wouldn't be a proper BK post without the Lockers knock would it :wink:

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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:45 am

PaulM

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Last Son of Wigan wrote:I think the words 'awesome' and brilliant are banded round far too easily. Lockers was good, thats actuate, nothing more.

For me at loose he's playing out of position looks far more threatening when running down the line linking up with Gleeson then roberts, not floating around the middle of the field.

Ainscough, Carmont, Hock-on one side
Roberts Gleeson Lockers on the other. Looks good to me.

Remember how well J Tomkins played at 10 when Lockers was injured? Get Joel at 13. Teams finally beginning to take shape.

Come off it. How many times havew we seen Sean send quick ball out to the left this season. If I'm being totally honest Carmont gets too much credit for the attacking work done down that side because O'Loughln has given him the ball quickly and in space countless times this season for George to exploit. To limit Sean to the right side of the pitch would IMO severely limit our attacking options.

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