Joined: Mar 13 2002 Posts: 956 Location: From Hull and now trying to spread the RL word in Liverpool, and failing dismally.
dally messenger wrote:origin isnt just another RL game.
and it would appeal to people who arent just RL fans.
Not in England it wouldn't. Non RL fans in this country will never have heard of origin, so if an origin game was to be held here they wouldn't have any idea that it was going to take place. Over here nobody will attend a game between two teams from the other side of the world in a sport that they are not interested in.
I doubt that it would sell out in Hull, Wigan, Huddersfield etc as there would be plenty of RL fans who wouldn't be interested in forking out for a ticket to watch two teams that don't have anything to do with them and have no affinity for, just as Australians wouldn't flock to ANZ stadium, Suncorp stadium etc to watch our biggest rivalries such as Hull v Hull KR, Leeds v Bradford or Wigan v Saints.
hindyscrack wrote:I never said that London isnt an expansion market, however is a game of Australians (same could be said for some super league teams) going to help the London RL? There are teams here in Super League and the Championships, there is a growing number of people playing the game. An Australian exhibition match is not going to help the cause.
There are a few things that you need to consider:
The Melbourne game works so well because of a few things: Government support from Victoria due to the economic benefit created from visiting NSW and QLD fans. I went to the last game there and all hotels were booked out in the CBD. Melbourne is on the same Time Zone as NSW and QLD
We know about players and their burnout fears. Playing an origin after the season has finished (which is traditionally 3-4Nations/World Cup time). Would almost certainly come at the expense of an international for Australia.
Not being part of the origin calander seriously devalues the state of origin concept and the NSW and QLD jerseys. Make no mistake, there would be a fair few players unavailable to play.
TV: Wouldnt be played to prime time audience in Australia. No revenue for the ARL. This tour would have to be underwritten by an independant promoter or the RFL. Neither (if any forth coming) could see any commercial value.
Littleor no corporate support. Yes there may be the odd 'Australian' company or business group, but not to the real value of the game.
the ARL took an origin game to LA. with zero promotion it got around 10,000.
souths played leeds last year in jacksonville and because of russel crowe RL got lots of publicity including the jay leno show
a year on and the yanks are looking at a TV deal with NBC. surely they are connected.
if people think mal meninga and wally lewis wouldnt get much publicity, how about russel crowe going over there to do the media
i mean the gladiator advertising the ultimate gladiatorial contest, yeah, that would work
Red Red Robin wrote:Not in England it wouldn't. Non RL fans in this country will never have heard of origin, so if an origin game was to be held here they wouldn't have any idea that it was going to take place. Over here nobody will attend a game between two teams from the other side of the world in a sport that they are not interested in.
I doubt that it would sell out in Hull, Wigan, Huddersfield etc as there would be plenty of RL fans who wouldn't be interested in forking out for a ticket to watch two teams that don't have anything to do with them and have no affinity for, just as Australians wouldn't flock to ANZ stadium, Suncorp stadium etc to watch our biggest rivalries such as Hull v Hull KR, Leeds v Bradford or Wigan v Saints.
the tri nations final in 2005 didnt involve a local side and still got a very good crowd.
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its just sour grapes from some of the neg mis sods in england . you could use origin . too pump up more fans . get war of the roses back . play 2 games at the same venue . like wembley . when the fans see the brutal warfare like SOO they will go crazy for it . all the players will want too play at wembley on this day . pump them up aswell . if its done right it could turn out too be 1 of the greatest rugby league days of the year
winning like never before. decoys. mouse traps. chicken wings. lollie pops. shepperds. the crusher. grapples. big league. In 1935 The Dragon Slayers as they were known defeated Canterbury bulldogs 91-6, which is still the biggest win in the Club's History. In 1907, the St George district had a club in the Sydney rugby union competition. Interestingly, the team's area was referred to as the 'Illawarra suburbs'. A resolution to form a St George rugby league club was made at a local meeting held in early 1908, but the movement faltered and collapsed. St George, wearing the district colours of red and white, played in the NSWRL's Third Grade competition in 1910, and formed a President's Cup team in 1911. References were found at the time to district teams being called 'The Saints'.the perfect 11
Joined: Jul 19 2007 Posts: 5671 Location: home of Lord Ted. kogarah sydney australia
Red Red Robin wrote:Not in England it wouldn't. Non RL fans in this country will never have heard of origin, so if an origin game was to be held here they wouldn't have any idea that it was going to take place. Over here nobody will attend a game between two teams from the other side of the world in a sport that they are not interested in. .
what a load of garbage . AFL . NFL . sell out fool
winning like never before. decoys. mouse traps. chicken wings. lollie pops. shepperds. the crusher. grapples. big league. In 1935 The Dragon Slayers as they were known defeated Canterbury bulldogs 91-6, which is still the biggest win in the Club's History. In 1907, the St George district had a club in the Sydney rugby union competition. Interestingly, the team's area was referred to as the 'Illawarra suburbs'. A resolution to form a St George rugby league club was made at a local meeting held in early 1908, but the movement faltered and collapsed. St George, wearing the district colours of red and white, played in the NSWRL's Third Grade competition in 1910, and formed a President's Cup team in 1911. References were found at the time to district teams being called 'The Saints'.the perfect 11
fredie wrote:what a load of garbage . AFL . NFL . sell out fool
I'll repeat myself for the hard of thinking...
NFL and Aussie Rules have no games over here so fans of these sports rarely get a chance to see a professional game. One off games are bound to attract big crowds. Rugby League fans can watch games every week and showpiece games twice a year. This is why playing the Origin game over here would not sell out a big stadium. It would not raise the profile of the game as it would only be interesting to Rugby League fans. It's a dumb and pointless discussion.
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Red Red Robin wrote: . Over here nobody will attend a game between two teams from the other side of the world in a sport that they are not interested in.
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quote] so going by this , NFL . AFL . NOBODY has been too these games in the uk in the history of man kind . they must have been ghosts
winning like never before. decoys. mouse traps. chicken wings. lollie pops. shepperds. the crusher. grapples. big league. In 1935 The Dragon Slayers as they were known defeated Canterbury bulldogs 91-6, which is still the biggest win in the Club's History. In 1907, the St George district had a club in the Sydney rugby union competition. Interestingly, the team's area was referred to as the 'Illawarra suburbs'. A resolution to form a St George rugby league club was made at a local meeting held in early 1908, but the movement faltered and collapsed. St George, wearing the district colours of red and white, played in the NSWRL's Third Grade competition in 1910, and formed a President's Cup team in 1911. References were found at the time to district teams being called 'The Saints'.the perfect 11
Joined: Jul 19 2007 Posts: 5671 Location: home of Lord Ted. kogarah sydney australia
digger wrote:I'll repeat myself for the hard of thinking...
NFL and Aussie Rules have no games over here so fans of these sports rarely get a chance to see a professional game. One off games are bound to attract big crowds. .
so you have had . the best of STATE OF ORIGIN BEFORE ?? played in the uk ?? i take that as a no . nostradarmos pom .prediction of the future mastermind
winning like never before. decoys. mouse traps. chicken wings. lollie pops. shepperds. the crusher. grapples. big league. In 1935 The Dragon Slayers as they were known defeated Canterbury bulldogs 91-6, which is still the biggest win in the Club's History. In 1907, the St George district had a club in the Sydney rugby union competition. Interestingly, the team's area was referred to as the 'Illawarra suburbs'. A resolution to form a St George rugby league club was made at a local meeting held in early 1908, but the movement faltered and collapsed. St George, wearing the district colours of red and white, played in the NSWRL's Third Grade competition in 1910, and formed a President's Cup team in 1911. References were found at the time to district teams being called 'The Saints'.the perfect 11
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dally messenger wrote:the tri nations final in 2005 didnt involve a local side and still got a very good crowd.
Only because people had pre-bought tickets in the expectation that England would be in the final.
I know it's a hard concept for you Aussies to grasp but SoO just isn't big over here.
We know it's massive in Oz, just like the Baseball World Series is huge in the USA, but they hardly get a mention over here and then only in specialist sports press and media. You will not find any mention of SoO in a UK newspaper - not even the results of games.
An Origin game in England may attract 25-30k tops and even that would be dependent on location.
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Wellsy13 wrote:Can you get banned for flooding the messageboard with so much crap that doesn't make sense? Or just generally being irritating for apparently no reason?! I genuinely haven't read one post by fredie that has contributed to a topic on this board!
I suspect that his ancestors were sent out there for crimes against the English language. Time has not improved the situation.
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. you could use origin . too pump up more fans . get war of the roses back . play 2 games at the same venue . like wembley . when the fans see the brutal warfare like SOO they will go crazy for it . all the players will want too play at wembley on this day . pump them up aswell . if its done right it could turn out too be 1 of the greatest rugby league days of the year 
quote] so going by this , NFL . AFL . NOBODY has been too these games in the uk in the history of man kind . they must have been ghosts 
