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RAI of Sunshine wrote:If they released Phelps and Mathers, would their whole salary become available, or just half of it?


Whole salary.






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Jukesays wrote:I'll admit I may not have a clue about the Salary Cap :oops: !


Well done. Suggestion - don't shoot your mouth off about things you don't understand! Saves you being made to look silly. :wink:






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SEB wrote:Whole salary.


So assuming Mathers is on 60k, plus the £15k left on the cap, that means they'll have to clear up £75k on the cap, just to match what we are paying him






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Jukesays wrote:You wanted that very quick didn't you! Time of the Month? :wink:


Not at all, just don't get people who don't understand things trying to correct people who do!






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SEB wrote:If it's correct they have £30k left and they don't release anyone - pretty much yes. As we are still in April, rather than June, it would be a bit more then £15k but not much.


People are missing the point. Lenaghan said we had 30k left after what we offered to Greg Bird, so say that was 70K, we would have 100K.

Its all guesswork anyway until a deal is confirmed/denied officially

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those rules are just a guideline, you don't have to follow them to the letter

ok you might get a slap on the wrist from the RFL and a couple of points deduction but there's no international financial regulator going to come down on the club if it breaches them

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Tony Catsmith wrote:i don't consider mathers or goulding long term gain.



I assume it's been mentioned elsewhere on this thread, but if anyone can get the best out of Mathers and Goulding, it would be Tony Smith. IMO, one of his biggest strengths as a coach is hiding players' weakness and exposing their strengths.






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'Hitman' Norvern Soul wrote:I assume it's been mentioned elsewhere on this thread, but if anyone can get the best out of Mathers and Goulding, it would be Tony Smith. IMO, one of his biggest strengths as a coach is hiding players' weakness and exposing their strengths.


Problem is, I don't think Mathers has any strengths






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RAI of Sunshine wrote:Problem is, I don't think Mathers has any strengths



Are you basing this judgement however, on his performances for Leeds - under Tony Smith - or his injury blighted stint in Ockerland, or perhaps his time at Wigan?
Let's be fair to the lad, that club has become a bit of a career graveyard for mid-top end SL players in the recent years, such as Orr, Moran, even Godwin and Higham to some extent.
I feel he has a lot of useful strengths, especially his role in the Leeds attacking line, which I felt went underrated; he was often taking over the first/second reciever role when one of the holy trinity of Burrow-Sinfield-McGuire were caught in possession and/or out of position.

Plus, any cash from the deal could be put to bring in Shenton, or, failing that, to be pumped firther into the youth academy and perhaps in a few years, we'll see the likes of our own Mendieka (sp?) banging on the door of the England squad.
(NB: I only use Mendieka's name as purely an example, I'm not cherry picking him out for messiah-like status)






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SEB wrote:Whole salary.


Hi, I have had a look at the rules and can't see where this is explicitly stated.

Can you point me to the right clause?

I read if a player gets paid off then it is the compensation that becomes his salary cap value and that this is spread over the duration of his (ex)contract with a club. So his old salary cap value is gone.

So if Wigan paid Mathers off with £1 then that is his salary cap vale for the remainder of his contract. If that were two years it would be 50p a year!

Seems odd to me but there you go.

The interesting thing is with a transfer the player won't normally get a pay off from his old club. So are you suggesting if Gleeson left he would not incur any salary cap liability whatsoever to Wire this season?

If so where is this stated the regulations?

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