Having read my way through the posts I will give my opinion. I will support Ben on the field when he plays for Rovers. That is my only interest in him or any other player. I would like them all to be fine upstanding members of society but we all know that the world is full of idiots & unsavory people.We should just be happy that the vast majority are well behaved members of our community. As for the sentance that is a matter for the courts not us, like it or not thats how the law works your opinion or mine does not come into it. As for the RFL adding any more punishment! well that is bordering on double jeppordy (punished twice for the same ofence).Ben has been a total plonker & will have to put up with all the stick that comes with it, I will be interesred to see how he goes but as I said I will support him as a player on the pitch in red & white.
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I've just been examining the sentences for Raynor and Cockayne with my lawyer and despite the racial nature of Raynor's offence, my lawyer says that it's the fact of the repeated kicking of the victim that has given Cockayne a greater sentence (although Raynor had to pay more compo to the victim).
Again my lawyer says both are very lucky they didn't get custody, but as I've mentioned in a PM to one person, if his case had been heard before a certain judge in my home town, we'd have been discussing this two days ago. Judges normally don't give a monkey's whether prisons are full. If the crime deserves the sentence, off you go and do not collect £200!
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redtillimdead wrote:No my view regardless of who he played for would not change.
I was asked if i would accept help from G.Raynor as part of his community payback after one of hes mis-demeanors and took him on board, the club name is not important, ai am merely suggesting that people all over our country are getting more lenient sentences so just because Ben has it shouldnt be misconstrewed as something out of the ordinary.
As for the jury case bit, why say anything else? I dont believe the poster did jury service in a case almost exactly the same as Bens so why say any different?
which is somewhat different to believing that somone is saying he should get custodial just because he is a rovers player (fwiw I thought Raynor should have as well, and Cooke before him)
I could also say I don't belive your 1st line based on as much evidence as you have for not beliving Suzie's jury service, but I wont.
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Beverley red wrote:Having read my way through the posts I will give my opinion. I will support Ben on the field when he plays for Rovers. That is my only interest in him or any other player. I would like them all to be fine upstanding members of society but we all know that the world is full of idiots & unsavory people.We should just be happy that the vast majority are well behaved members of our community. As for the sentance that is a matter for the courts not us, like it or not thats how the law works your opinion or mine does not come into it. As for the RFL adding any more punishment! well that is bordering on double jeppordy (punished twice for the same ofence).Ben has been a total plonker & will have to put up with all the stick that comes with it, I will be interesred to see how he goes but as I said I will support him as a player on the pitch in red & white.
cab man wrote:It would seem Bens chance for an England cap is back on. If he keeps playing the way he is, and win us the cup as i expect he will play a major part. For me Bens enthusiasm drove us to were we are now. Now he has been let off lightly he should grasp the opportunity and realise the potential he has got.
Cmon Ben.
His enthusiasm also saw him drive his foot...... sorry, but get rid. If someone else picks him up, so what.
I know a hard working individual..never been in troublehe was at a party it kicked off and he was involved in a fight, he kicked the Guy on the floor once..it went to court he had good refrences etc..he got 4 months, the judge said it was for the kick...Judge Pickles Hull he lost he job everything.why is the law different for sport
Not out to please FC fans. He acted like an animal, what was worse he went back in for more when the guy was cowering. Dont care how good he is, he's no role model for mine or anybody else with sense. Do I care if he came back with another club and played a blinder? no. Just glad our club had looked at the bigger picture.
blakeysrobin wrote:Not out to please FC fans. He acted like an animal, what was worse he went back in for more when the guy was cowering. Dont care how good he is, he's no role model for mine or anybody else with sense. Do I care if he came back with another club and played a blinder? no. Just glad our club had looked at the bigger picture.
I understand that..I think our love of our sport and the colours fans wear often clouds common sense..thugs end of..and yes for the record I believe Raynor should have been sacked. Lets get tough like the nrl did with Carney and de-register that may help clean up the sport
Neil HFC wrote:Just to spin it about, say for sake of argument, all hyperthetical like, would you view be the same if Cockayne was a FC player? Or is it just becuase he is a Rovers player you've decided people are lying about their jury service and developed the ability to determine posters motives based on 4 lines of text.
And if he was a Hull FC player, would you and your cronies be so vociferous on the subject? If your presence here is a Hull v Rovers thing (which it obviously is), go sell your crazy some place else.
Ben did wrong. Not for you or I to stand in judgement. Let those in more elevated places than we do that. End of story.
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and despite the racial nature of Raynor's offence, my lawyer says that it's the fact of the repeated kicking of the victim that has given Cockayne a greater sentence (although Raynor had to pay more compo to the victim).
