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vbfg wrote:Playing poorly and winning is only the sign of a good team when you're generaly playing well and winning and the occassional lapse doesn't harm you. Doing it on the back of playing poorly and losing is hardly going to fill me with hope.
If we play well and still lose after a run of playing poorly and losing then I'm a little happier.
It's entirely context specific, and in this context playing well counts as a result for me. Continually playing well but losing is a different matter.
I haven't voted, the question is nonsensical.
I agree with all that. Against Catalan and Leeds in the next two games the result is all that matters - it could be two 1-0 wins and awful rugby I wouldnt care less. However, if we show a continued improved performance like we showed for most of the Cas game then that makes the results more likely to be more positive more consitantly.
In the long term (over a season) good results will only happen with good performance (with the odd exception), and getting good results will generally help good performance due to increased confidence. In the mid to long term I dont think you can have one without the other.
I also have not voted as its a daft way to ask an excellent question for discussion.
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Ferocious Aardvark wrote:maybe so in the short term - but let's say all the Bulls played for 2 years was Sh!te, Sh!te and more Sh!te, for how long would you keep paying at the gate?
Without trying to sound like our dear departed ME how long will speccies keep turning up to watch us lose no matter how well we play, try telling an eight year old that "yes we lost but we played well". I'd much rather say " we played badly but, we still won"
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Mick Gledhill wrote:Performance anyday.
I would rather see us lose by two points in thrillers like the one on Sunday, then win by 18+ every game in a dull bore-fest
1999-2005 must have been prtetty disappointing for you then.
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Steam Pig wrote:Without trying to sound like our dear departed ME how long will speccies keep turning up to watch us lose no matter how well we play, try telling an eight year old that "yes we lost but we played well". I'd much rather say " we played badly but, we still won"
Well I've managed it for some decades, for one. Appreciate the good times much more than I suppose someone who hasn't.
My lad also has a philosophical outlook on life in general and sport in particular. I had that conversation, or on that subject, many times, and he learned from me that to lose with good grace is fine, winning isn't everything or even close, and that there are much more important things in life than winning, but very few more important than behaving like a true rugby league person.
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You learn to appreciate the wins more when you've had some bad times. I couldn't help but think that a lot of Bulls fans had grown complacent on the success of the side 96-05. A few years in the doldrums will make us value success more when it eventually returns.
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Bullseye wrote:You learn to appreciate the wins more when you've had some bad times. I couldn't help but think that a lot of Bulls fans had grown complacent on the success of the side 96-05. A few years in the doldrums will make us value success more when it eventually returns.
This is specifically NOT having a go at anyone, but the fact is that most members of the NT would not be with us a few years in the doldrums. Maybe not even a few months! They would jump back on the post-doldrumnal bandwagon pretty sharp though.
As is, of course, their perfect right.
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perhaps a better question is would you rather see improvements in results or performance?
Improving performance indicates the team (players and coaches) are doing the right things while results can be entirely dependant on who you are playing. So over any run of games I'd rather see improved performances.
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Ferocious Aardvark wrote:This is specifically NOT having a go at anyone, but the fact is that most members of the NT would not be with us a few years in the doldrums. Maybe not even a few months! They would jump back on the post-doldrumnal bandwagon pretty sharp though.
As is, of course, their perfect right.
I'll still be here. I'm a sucker for punishment.
But I'd like to making my stance clear. I think the current team are 2/3 players away from being a force again. But I don't have any faith in McNamara's ability to coach the side towards winning silverware.
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