I think this is part of the problem at Wigan with regards to the attitude of some of the fans. As you say, there never seems to be a grey area with some of our fans. We're either going to the Grand Final or we're finishing bottom of the league.

I think Noble has brought us some way from when he first came here but I think we may have plateaued under him and we need to bring in a fresh face, preferably an Aussie coach. I'm not solely blaming Noble for our current run of poor form and a poor win:loss ratio but I do think it is time for a change.

When I get home in the summer I go to every game I can. I've said it before on here, I really don't understand how fans can stay at home. How does that help?

I personally would never stay away but some fans think it sends a message and it gratifies them I guess as they think it may help out in the long-term.

I know it's not you, but who do they think it sends a message to?
By staying at home they're giving the club less money to spend on making things better for 2010.

I guess it's the players and/or the coaching staff and/or the management board. People have different ideas don't they, I don't agree with this mentality, but it happens and that is life.

I am not sure why some on this thread relate the initial post to anything other than my feelings about Wigan, it has nothing to do with Hudds, it has nothing to do with wanting Wigan to win every trophy etc.

What it is about is the total lack of development or improvement in the team, either with regards to the passion they display, the basic skills of the team or the lack of variation in the team.

I personally am of the opinion we have the talent to challenge, but we are underachieving no a massive level and sometimes we get to see how good the team can be but more often than not we see a very mediocre performance.

The Millward time inspired me more than the current team, we may have been poor but we were never dull, at the moment we are just dull and low quality, which is from a Wigan fans point of view totally unacceptable.

It doesnt, when people say 'I'm handing back my season ticket', or 'I'm not going again until it is sorted'. I think well can I have your season ticket then?!

Some people take it for granted and if I lived in Wigan the first thing I would get is a season ticket. Ok I would moan things aren't going right, but I would always be 100% behind the team.

have always said the same mate

To me I wouldn't say the players weren't trying because I know they will be reading these boards thinking us fans haven't a clue and that they 'tried hard' (said in a sarky voice).

I would say they are 'plodding on'. I work in construction and I get lads who are demotivated and don't really care about the job they don't work fast or slow, it does get done but they just 'plod on' and that is exactly what some, not all, of the players are doing at our beloved club.

Also we are not playing as a team, there are individuals trying but are unwilling to play as team.

This is where Noble must step in sort them out! It is his job.
He needs to motivate them a his job is on the line.

Also the RFL nees to lower the number of subs from 12 to 8 its ridiculous. If players got tired easier we would see more skill and a better game as a whole.

the tryers shouldnt suffer cos of the plodders.


maybe he's not the motivator we saw on the GB dvd


sounds like a plan