Dear All,

I know this has clearly been done to death, but I haven't trawled enough to find any coherent answers, so after a couple of sensible people reply, please lock to your heart's content McF. I'm afraid I have been incapacitated by a football injury (pansy biscuit bones I know) and hence have only been internet enabled today, and as such missed all the no doubt stimulating chat.

To my eyes, Bailey's tackle looked perfectly legal. I'm not sure that kind of shoulder charge should be legal (my own private view) but as far as I'm aware it is. Is it just me that holds this view. I have seen a lot of posts about overreaction of various Saints fans to a high shot, and mentions of hypocrisy, but I am not clear whether people actually thought the tackle was illegal to start with.

Again, apologies for (briefly) reopening this, if people from other boards with axes to grind could leave the thread alone long enough for a few people with brains connected to their typing fingers to respond, I'd be grateful.

http://www.therfl.co.uk/about/disciplin ... php?id=834 The puppet masters at Red Hall deemed it legal and with this incident "thats good enough for me!"

http://www.therfl.co.uk/about/disciplin ... php?id=834 The puppet masters at Red Hall deemed it legal and with this incident "thats good enough for me!"

In my opinion, the challenge was illegal but not deliberate. Fact of the matter is, the tackler connected with the opponent's head and that is outside the laws of the game.

The correct decision for me from Bentham would have been a penalty to St Helens.

Basically everyone with half a brain new it was legal (even some Stains fans). We got alot of know nothing feckwits from Lancs bombarding us with crap about him being dirty, cowardly and generally not good enough for Leeds. It took about 3 threads and about million replies (exaggeration) before the scousers were sent packing and the threads locked. As this one will be soon. Before they come back

tez on boots nall called it how it was!

What did he say? Can't watch it all the way over here.

Have I missed something?

What tackle?

I don't take much interest in meaningless league fixtures. I tend to wait until the 1st Saturday in October when games mean something, and Leeds have a good recent record in such games, unlike the Scousers.

So use of shoulder, fine, but was first contact with the head? I didn't get enough replays on the footage I saw to be certain that it didn't hit his chest first. Out of interest, if you made a legal tackle with your arms around the opponent's shoulders, your shoulder could easily make contact with your opponent's face. Hence I presume the point of first contact is the key issue, though I may be wrong.

I still think that kind of shoulder charge should be illegal, not really a tackle in my book, but that's a slightly separate issue at this point.

Thats the key here. It was not "that kind" of shoulder charge, it was the same as anyother one like it. Difference was Mary went in with the head down. Had he been upright it would not have touched his head.

Basically Mary ran at Ryan, he could have chosen to side step him but instead tried to run over him all Ryan did was stand there and brace himself for the contact.

It's all Marys fault