The Cup has value.

Its' value it nowhere near as important as being Champions.

That is all I can recall ever being said on here?

Would we like to win the cup? Yes.

We would like to be champions, yet again. Yes.

If we don't achieve the latter but do achieve the former will we be happy? Probably, but in no way will we attempt to make out that a cup win and league placing is as valued as being champions in order to justify insane and arrogant rantings about our team being the "best".

The best team is the one that is champions. Over the last 5 years Leeds have been champions more than any other SL team, therefore over the last 5 years we have been the best. QED.

Lets get some things straight.

Saints didnt win the SL regular rounds last season - Leeds Lost it!

Saints can only play in warm/dry conditions yet claim to be world class!

Saints can win as many of the regular round matches against Leeds as they want as long as Leeds win the one that counts which 2 out of the last 3 they have!

How many Saints players would you have in the Leeds team over currrent ones? Gidly and JG are the only ones that come to mind IMO.

Cough cough couldnt agree more cough cough

I was thinking about the relative merits of the various trophies on offer, and although I would like to win them all, and they all have a level of prestige/merit associated with them, I have used a points system.

Grand Final 5pts
Challenge Cup 3pts
WCC 2pts
League leaders 1pt


the gap between the GF and the CC is because I think that in terms of targets for the season, the GF is the pinacle, and even if we had won the WCC and the CC, I would still feel a little sad at not being the Champions.

I would love a challenge cup victory this year, but not at the expense of another SL title.

Nope - Challange Cup final wins against the mighty Hull, Catalans and erm Huddersfield is a bigger acievment then 2 back to back grand final wins!

Leeds V St Helens in the SL Era:

Pl 48, Won 22, Drawn 0, Lost 26, Pts For 1130, Pts Agst 1253 Avg Scr 24 - 26, 46%

Sorry folks that's just the way it is.

The only consolation is that there have been 6 more fixtures played at Knowsley Road than at Headingley but three of those were earned by St Helens finishing higher on the league ladder anyway.

It's interesting to note how many of the last nine meetings have taken place at Headingley? One.

Does Brian McClennan have an issue of coaching a team to beat St Helens?

Two from six now. Yes I know he won the one that mattered the most but it's a worrying stat otherwise.

bear in mind one try at least came from a wrong decision by bentham. the teams are so evenly matched these things can be vital

A Leeds try?

Seriously though they are very evenly matched but the fact that Leeds won the GF both times means they are the No1 side.

i feel i could get panned for this but imho shaun long is still the best scrum half in the league. dont get me wrong i love rob. but long's passing game is in a different class to robs, long has a better kicking game and has the best show and go in the comp.

but would i swap burrow for long?? not a chance.