There always has to be a replacement for Wainwright.

i'd describe matt king as an x-rated gesture player.

Gleeson.

Since we've moved into the new stadium we haven't signed players with X factor other than Gleeson and Johns.

Don't confuse big names with being X factor players, Reardon, Johnson, Rauhihi, the Andersons are not players who can break a game, neither really are King or Monaghan, even if they'd played up to their reputations at former clubs.

By X factor player you need someone like Leon Pryce, or Jason Robinson. Warrington have had all too few of these. Jonathan Davies had it, Iestyn Harris had it, Allan Langer, Nigel Vagana. We had other players who had X factor at first but then lost it (Henare, Toa, Appo).

Ainscoughs made some Shocking errors but Eddie And Stevo love wigan youngsters dont they (not in a gay way btw) thats why he's escaped criticism

Does he get criticism from the Wigan fans? That's probably the main difference.

This is the point i`m making, if people look at our starting line up for most games then Martin Gleeson is the only player that would really worry an opposition coach where that coach would try and take extra measures to contain the threat of that player.

After that we only really have Micky Higham but we don`t know enough about him yet to judge his consistency, your spot on with your comment about so called big name players and comparing them to players that genuinley have the X factor.

To me our present backline is awful, i would only keep Martin Gleeson out of the current backline and possibly Hicks at a push but he is getting on now and he certainly isn`t an X factor player.

Would you have Michael Shenton Rob?

Without any shadow of a doubt, i think he`s the best english left centre we currently have in this country and he wouldn`t command NRL type money.

You could even off set a transfer fee for Shenton and he would still probably command less money than King over the same period, He`s a very good prospect and your talking of a centre here that can beat players, King couldn`t beat an egg.

He'd be good with Penny as well, another poster gave me the idea but these are the players we should be targeting, young british players.