A unknown superstar wrote:And I hope he is along with Raynor, they are the two best english wingers in the league. He has got a great future ahead of him. But what I'm getting at is look at how Gardner gets called up all the time just for playing for saints. He scores so many because he plays outside world class centres Lyon and then Gidley. I very much doubt Ade score more than 4 tries a season which are down to his own doing and are further than 15metres out a season.
Its a fair point, but hopefully thats not how the national side will be selected anymore. I would expect both hull and rovers players to feature if both sides keep up their excellent starts, as players should be selected on form rather than reputation.
Tony Smith has said in an ideal world he would like to have at least one player from each SL club in the england squad which suggests he'll give players a go on form rather than what club they're at.
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reddan wrote:Its a fair point, but hopefully thats not how the national side will be selected anymore. I would expect both hull and rovers players to feature if both sides keep up their excellent starts, as players should be selected on form rather than reputation.
Tony Smith has said in an ideal world he would like to have at least one player from each SL club in the england squad which suggests he'll give players a go on form rather than what club they're at.
Agree with all of that!
With a second England team going to be chosen, I hope it will be full of youngsters ie Briscoe, Hall, Houghton, Welham and even Wheeldon perhaps. Then I would like to see these play games say against Fiji, Tonga etc and if players perform then they should be selected for the main squad. But thats not to say youngsters who are playing really well, can't be selected for the main team in the first place.
"You don't have to be great to start, but to be great you have to start".
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Andyhullofalad wrote:Forgeting who fox is playing for name 2 wingers that are better then him right now
the point is he is probably the best in england, but while he is at hkr and gardner at saints, made to look great by gidley and next year lyon, gardner will get picked ahead of him. If he was at saints he would be first choice england winger everytime
A unknown superstar wrote:How would he? Like already been said if he goes to saints he has a better chance for international selections and will no doubt make him a better player. It will be a step up in his career. It's not like loyalty to the club would stop him leaving.
Explain. Who's to say Rovers are not a top 4 side from now in. Saints are ageing, they could end up below Rovers in future. If he's a wanted man now how is moving to Saints going to make him a better player?
reddan wrote:Its a fair point, but hopefully thats not how the national side will be selected anymore. I would expect both hull and rovers players to feature if both sides keep up their excellent starts, as players should be selected on form rather than reputation.
Tony Smith has said in an ideal world he would like to have at least one player from each SL club in the england squad which suggests he'll give players a go on form rather than what club they're at.
Which would help the harmony after the farce of Leeds and Saints players not gelling.
There are the rugby considerations yes.
Then also people forgot he would have to up and move to the other side of the country.
He will be picked for England regardless so he doesnt need to move to Saints for that.
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General Zod. wrote:1) He's got a mortgage on a house in York which would be difficult to sell or rent in the current economic climate. 2) He's got 6 points on his driving licence and wouldn't want a speeding fine driving up and down the M62 everyday. 3) He'll play for England regardless of who he plays for. 4) Rovers are the most progressive club in Super League. 5) Saints will hit the wall when the likes of Gidly, Cunningham, Long and the like retire.
saints would pay his mortgage, and rent/buy him a house here, they said saints were finished when newlove/martin and joynt retired
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Andyhullofalad wrote:So what your saying is that all young english talent at clubs like ours or wakey cas quins ect will not have a cat in hells chance of international caps unless they sign for leeds wigan or saints
Do you listen at all? I said that by the looks of it they goto wigan, leeds and saints first. Then look at other clubs just to make the numbers up.
"You don't have to be great to start, but to be great you have to start".
Saint Simon wrote:saints would pay his mortgage, and rent/buy him a house here, they said saints were finished when newlove/martin and joynt retired
It's been well documented about the severity of Saints finances and the fact it has impacted on your playing budget so you ain't gonna shell out 100k+ of your salary cap money (as all gifts for players etc. are counted against the salary cap).
Fair point about Martin & Joynt but Gidley & Cunningham genuine world class players and can't be replaced (even Lyon is not as destructive as Gidley IMO).
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